Video: How to Kill an Icarus

[Nogen]

How to Kill an Icarus (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3409435915895939031)

This is just a short compilation of my encounters with icaruses over the last week. I honestly don't know why people have such a hard time dealing with them. Anyway watch the movie and you might get a better idea of how to combat them. In the movie I use grenades, miniguns, EMP grenades and the sniper rifle. I have hardly even used the sniper rifle before and I had no trouble hitting an airborne icarus with 50% accuracy. Its much easier than hitting a strafing ground target thats for sure.

It just seems to me everyone would rather cry for a nerf rather than learn a few simple skills.

[(HP)Natural Causes]

nades. all the way. no question,those annoying lil insects, they have to land sometime! and when they do, BOOM baby

then i spam vsays of hi and kill the alien scum.

feels great =)

[Griev]

Umn that's all well and good but, I need my grenades for disabling turrets, killing other vehicles, getting enemies out of cover, disabling mines... the list goes on. So when has anyone needed to waste a grenade on a quad again?

No it's imbalanced. Sure give the GDF 12 grenades each then it'd be fine ;)

[FreiWild.at]

How about refilling your nades from a supplybox which is dropped from a medic? :confused:
Really, your reasoning isn´t solid and comprehensible. :)

[-KillerBee-]

I don't think it will be balanced until you can take them out with an assualt rifle.

[Vale]

Haha, nice nading :D

[pageian]

nades. all the way. no question,those annoying lil insects, they have to land sometime! and when they do, BOOM baby

then i spam vsays of hi and kill the alien scum.

feels great =)

Haha, yeah I get that vsaid to me when I get killed in a icarus. It makes me laugh though because by the time I get killed I've already taken out so many gdf that it's kind of ironic that they're gloating about killing me. I usually give them back the "oh yeah oh no" strogg laugh, make them wonder why I'm laughing at them when I just got killed.:oppressor:

[JBRAA]

Thanks!
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[Gobby]

cant beat sniping an icarus out of the sky. best way for sure

[space]

Actually I find the shotgun to be a very effective weapon against the icarus as well.

[Xpyder]

How about refilling your nades from a supplybox which is dropped from a medic? :confused:
you mean the one the icarus just blew up?

Really, your reasoning isn´t solid and comprehensible. :)

p.s. I'm not saying they are any more dangerous than a hive of bees, just that your counterpoint doesn't make sense.

[signofzeta]

Machine pistol BABY. It actually works on icarus drivers who want to be killed.

The grenade trick only works on those who don't even know how to use the vehicle.

[dOGHAIR]

lol very nice video, well done and thanks.

[Lambda_00]

Rocket Arty for the win... :)

[Pimpslapper]

Umn that's all well and good but, I need my grenades for disabling turrets, killing other vehicles, getting enemies out of cover, disabling mines... the list goes on. So when has anyone needed to waste a grenade on a quad again?

No it's imbalanced. Sure give the GDF 12 grenades each then it'd be fine ;)

Well if the bastard in the Icarus kills you, your saved nades are damn well useless for turrets, other vehicles, getting enemies out of cover, disabling mines and the ongoing list aren't they??

"Save" your nades and die or "waste" them and kill the bastard?? Hmmm.

Ps Nogen- Good advice mate, since I read that tip last week from you in another thread they have become much easier to kill.

[space]

shotgun = pwnd ics. seriously, they cannot stand up to them, even at a distance.

[Nogen]

Well if the bastard in the Icarus kills you, your saved nades are damn well useless for turrets, other vehicles, getting enemies out of cover, disabling mines and the ongoing list aren't they??

"Save" your nades and die or "waste" them and kill the bastard?? Hmmm.

Ps Nogen- Good advice mate, since I read that tip last week from you in another thread they have become much easier to kill.

Now worries, mate. Nice to see somebody listening for a change. Reading that tip on this forum was what taught me how to do it in the first place.

[Nogen]

Umn that's all well and good but, I need my grenades for disabling turrets, killing other vehicles, getting enemies out of cover, disabling mines... the list goes on. So when has anyone needed to waste a grenade on a quad again?

No it's imbalanced. Sure give the GDF 12 grenades each then it'd be fine ;)

Its funny how the same peopel who complain about how hard the icarus is to kill are the people who say that they aren't worth using a grenade on. To copy and paste an argument from the "nerf icarus" thread...

The GDF get between 24 and 36 grenades as a team. The enemy has at most 3 icaruses that are in a position to be a nuisance. It shouldn't take more than 2 grenades per icarus leaving 18-30 grenades left for other tasks. This is completely ignoring the fact that there are a million other ways to take down deployables and vehicles - minigun, GMPG, EMP grenade, hacking, rocket launcher, trojan, titan and anansi. If between all of that you can't spare a couple of grenades for something that you perceive to be so incredibly difficult to handle then there is something wrong with you.

You argument reeks of "I can't do everything myself". This is a team based shooter you don't need to do everything yourself. If you have to use your grenades fighting icaruses then it means everyone else on your team doesn't have to. If your team isn't pulling their weight then it has nothing to do with the icarus and everything to do with the quality of the people you are playing with.

[Unfukwitable]

nice video.
They're really not that hard to kill if you know their limitations.
If they're giving you trouble get on one and figure it out.

If everyone just got better at killing them as opposed to complaining we would be having threads from icarus drivers whining about the nades being too powerful.

[Shadez]

I love you Nogen, have my babies.

Nice nading too! I picked up on the sniper down the icarus thing and i've been loling at people in pub servers who always QQ about the icarus.

[BlackSpear]

Haha, great nading Nogen, I also practiced it a few times but haven't become that good yet. I think if more people finally get the hang of it, it will become a very weak attack vehicle. Because stroy bombs are easy to dodge and normally are only a problem when you are not paying attention or when you try to do an objective.
Thanks for sharing.

[Hirutashiro]

Well if the bastard in the Icarus kills you, your saved nades are damn well useless for turrets, other vehicles, getting enemies out of cover, disabling mines and the ongoing list aren't they??

"Save" your nades and die or "waste" them and kill the bastard?? Hmmm.

Ps Nogen- Good advice mate, since I read that tip last week from you in another thread they have become much easier to kill.

That would be assuming, of course, that you manage to shoot it down with your only two grenades.

The video posted in the OP, while nice, is a compilation of successes, and obviously made by someone who is likely a good player.
That's not everybody's case though.

Once you're out of nades, you're a bit stuck with the basic weapons you carry.

Really, two nades is very short, especially since this game includes plenty of vehicles and deployables.

[TankGoat]

How about refilling your nades from a supplybox which is dropped from a medic?


you mean the one the icarus just blew up?

You mean the supply crate which was deployed by a clueless medic :) ?
Hell, use shotgun, GPMG, rocket you can still take them down.No, dont tell me you wasted a rocket, field ops can give you 2 per ammo pack ;)

[[TFA]Violator]

Great vid 8)

RL at the feet is another method to take em down :)

[xWhiteMousex]

It's so easy to kill an Icarus.

It's even easier to kill a husky.

It's so easy to avoid their bombs.

Husky doesn't even have a weapon.

Remove icarus weapons, or give the Husky a dual rocket launcher.

Sure, Icarus can be easy to kill, but it's also a freakin' annoying deployable killer as well as distracts the attention of way more players trying to shoot it than a husky can distract anything.

And please, don't even bother dragging Bumblebee, Armadillo and Trojan into this. Most GDF never use Armadillo and Trojan as anything other than taxi's to the front. Both die from 1 hit by a Hog, or 1 obliterator hit for Armadillo, and what, 3-4 for Trojan, not counting small arms fire and splash damage on top.

Husky and Icarus, one man transport vehicles. One can fly and drop bombs, the other can fast-forward you to your coffin... take your pick.

[Nogen]

It's so easy to kill an Icarus.

It's even easier to kill a husky.

It's so easy to avoid their bombs.

Husky doesn't even have a weapon.

Remove icarus weapons, or give the Husky a dual rocket launcher.

Sure, Icarus can be easy to kill, but it's also a freakin' annoying deployable killer as well as distracts the attention of way more players trying to shoot it than a husky can distract anything.

And please, don't even bother dragging Bumblebee, Armadillo and Trojan into this. Most GDF never use Armadillo and Trojan as anything other than taxi's to the front. Both die from 1 hit by a Hog, or 1 obliterator hit for Armadillo, and what, 3-4 for Trojan, not counting small arms fire and splash damage on top.

Husky and Icarus, one man transport vehicles. One can fly and drop bombs, the other can fast-forward you to your coffin... take your pick.

Who said they have to be the same effectiveness? Why don't you compare the bumblebee+husky to the icarus?

http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14899

Here are some videos of the bumblebee raping on slipgate and island. The strogg don't even get a bumblebee. Where is you argument about the balance in that? There isn't one because you can't fly the bumblebee AND because one-to-one comparisons aren't what this game is about.

[b0rsuk]

There's just one small problem with grenades vs Icarus . If you spend your grenades on killing Icarus, you won't have any for turrets and mines.

[H0neyBe4r]

Which makes the medics supply crate more and more attractive.

[Ravenlock]

you'll notice that in the vid, all those guys in the icarus were like right next to him.

THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE WITH ICARUS.

Hell, at the distance you were showing, it'd be easier to hs him to death.

The issue is when the icarus is at medium range, where nades can't get him, yet he can still spam stroy with no real problem unless AVT is out.

[datoo]

The husky can be pretty lethal, even without weapons.

http://stats.enemyterritory.com/leaders/vehicles/weapons_xp?filter=husky

[Nogen]

you'll notice that in the vid, all those guys in the icarus were like right next to him.

THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE WITH ICARUS.

Hell, at the distance you were showing, it'd be easier to hs him to death.

The issue is when the icarus is at medium range, where nades can't get him, yet he can still spam stroy with no real problem unless AVT is out.

Watch the video. I take out some at close range with grenades...some are at longer range. You can throw a grenade as far as they can throw a stroybomb so its really a non issue. You can also use miniguns and sniper rifles at longer range as demonstrated in the video.

If he is at such long range what are you worried about anyway...if he can hit you from that range then you deserve to get hit.

[d00mfreak]

No one knows, mayby you are showing us only 5 lucky hits out of 100 tries

[chicho]

icarus are easy to kill with nades/sniper >.<

[Nogen]

No one knows, mayby you are showing us only 5 lucky hits out of 100 tries

Yes thats possible. But I have stated already that this video represents 80% of the icarus encounters I had over about 4-5 days. You just have to trust me. And given the amount of people who post here who also tell you how easy it is I think you should probably believe me.

[Necro]

ET:QW is NOT symetric!
Learn this. The Icarus is more powerfull than the husky. But this will be even out by the other GDF Vehicles compared to the Strogg Vehicles.
The Game is balanced and the Icarus is no danger.

[Griev]

Nubs think they look all L33T by agreeing how easy the icky is to kill.

I'd bet a tasty sum half of them couldn't hit the side of a barn with a nade.

Take it from a vet who CAN hit an icky with a nade. It's imbalanced. Not so much SD should bother doing anything about it. Just enough so that anyone spamming stroybombs should feel like the nub @zzhat they are; as it's an ineffective use of they're time, grab a hyperblaster and actually kill a few people why don't you, instead of playing nub hopscotch.

If anything the GDF should get another nade in they're lunch pails. Ya I know medic crate etc... plx... I can count on 1 hand how many times I've seen an experienced and well planed crate drop. 99% of the time sum nub puts the crate someplace totally useless 5 steps from the spawn.

[Nogen]

Nubs think they look all L33T by agreeing how easy the icky is to kill.

I'd bet a tasty sum half of them couldn't hit the side of a barn with a nade.

Take it from a vet who CAN hit an icky with a nade. It's imbalanced. Not so much SD should bother doing anything about it. Just enough so that anyone spamming stroybombs should feel like the nub @zzhat they are; as it's an ineffective use of they're time, grab a hyperblaster and actually kill a few people why don't you, instead of playing nub hopscotch.

If anything the GDF should get another nade in they're lunch pails. Ya I know medic crate etc... plx... I can count on 1 hand how many times I've seen an experienced and well planed crate drop. 99% of the time sum nub puts the crate someplace totally useless 5 steps from the spawn.

How people play the game is not an balancing issue its a player issue. I agree with it being a complete waste of time to spam stroybombs all around in comparison to other more useful tasks.

[18X]

Nubs think they look all L33T by agreeing how easy the icky is to kill.

I'd bet a tasty sum half of them couldn't hit the side of a barn with a nade.

Agreed.

Everybody saying that it's easy to kill the Icarus with grenades is bullshitting, plain and simple. That or they're playing against n00bs who don't know how to use it. If they know what they're doing, they won't let you get within a good enough distance.

Your choices are: sniper rifle (best way, IMO) or a minigun. And of course grenades for the n00bs who come too close.

[RaLLe]

Agreed.

Everybody saying that it's easy to kill the Icarus with grenades is bullshitting, plain and simple. That or they're playing against n00bs who don't know how to use it. If they know what they're doing, they won't let you get within a good enough distance.

Your choices are: sniper rifle (best way, IMO) or a minigun. And of course grenades for the n00bs who come too close.

So true!
I love this thread, it´s really entertaining .. :dance:
So far i eliminated ~1,700 humans with my lil flying beast (http://stats.enemyterritory.com/leaders/vehicles/weapons_xp?filter=icarus) and one thing is for sure: not more than 10 times a nade did kill me!

Snipers are effective sometimes, little rocket-boys too - but at the end a good icarus-pilot knows how to avoid / handle those imo.
(... leave ur icarus, shoot em down, and keep on flying.)

But the best way is: Stroybomb em 2 hell and enjoy their angry comments ... :oppressor:

GreetZ

[Nogen]

So true!
I love this thread, it´s really entertaining .. :dance:
So far i eliminated ~1,700 humans with my lil flying beast (http://stats.enemyterritory.com/leaders/vehicles/weapons_xp?filter=icarus) and one thing is for sure: not more than 10 times a nade did kill me!

Snipers are effective sometimes, little rocket-boys too - but at the end a good icarus-pilot knows how to avoid / handle those imo.
(... leave ur icarus, shoot em down, and keep on flying.)

But the best way is: Stroybomb em 2 hell and enjoy their angry comments ... :oppressor:

GreetZ

Lets compare your icarus to my bumblebee. In 53hours 30minutes you have made 1764 kills. In 5hours and 37 minutes I have got 759 kills. So if I had played for as long as you I would have roughly 7230 kills. From this we can conclude that a good bumblebee pilot is worth as much as 4 good icarus pilots in terms of player kills.

[Zeah]

Meh... but how the hell does someone get hit by a rl when they're in the Icarus?!

[Nogen]

Meh... but how the hell does someone get hit by a rl when they're in the Icarus?!

You shoot the ground under them when they land.

[RaLLe]

Lets compare your icarus to my bumblebee. In 53hours 30minutes you have made 1764 kills. In 5hours and 37 minutes I have got 759 kills. So if I had played for as long as you I would have roughly 7230 kills. From this we can conclude that a good bumblebee pilot is worth as much as 4 good icarus pilots in terms of player kills.

Nice conclusion! No offense, not we but you do conclude whats worth or not.
Maybe a good bumblebee pilot is worth as much as 10 good icarus pilots in terms of KILLS + VEHICLES DESTROYED + DEPLOYABLES DESTROYED, who knows.
Hopefully you are willed 2 share some tips and hints, cant wait to see ur Video: How to Kill a bumblebee thread soon. ;)

Would also like 2 know: whats your conclusion about Platypus vs Desecrator, how much is a good Platypus pilot worth?

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You shoot the ground under them when they land.
^^ mostly the no-skillers try that of course.
A rocket-boy with a lil more skill knows how 2 fire a icarus down without lockon while flying, and a good icarus-pilot knows how 2 use skiing while trying 2 escape.

GreetZ

[Nogen]

Nice conclusion! No offense, not we but you do conclude whats worth or not.
Maybe a good bumblebee pilot is worth as much as 10 good icarus pilots in terms of KILLS + VEHICLES DESTROYED + DEPLOYABLES DESTROYED, who knows.
Hopefully you are willed 2 share some tips and hints, cant wait to see ur Video: How to Kill a bumblebee thread soon. ;)

Would also like 2 know: whats your conclusion about Platypus vs Desecrator, how much is a good Platypus pilot worth?

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^^ mostly the no-skillers try that of course.
A rocket-boy with a lil more skill knows how 2 fire a icarus down without lockon while flying, and a good icarus-pilot knows how 2 use skiing while trying 2 escape.

GreetZ

Since you bring it up here are some videos of how to FLY a bumblebee:

Bumblebee Videos (http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14899)

Watch any plasma mortar tutorial for how to shoot them down. The conclusion I made was the obvious and the correct one given the numbers. Statistics don't lie and you'll need to show me a different way they can be interpretted to prove my conclusion wrong.

I use the comparison of icarus and bumblebee because they are two vehicles that each side has that the other doesn't. Both can be quite powerful in the right hands but you only hear people bitching about icaruses and not about the bumblebee.

As for platypus vs desecrator...well they are slightly similar in that they can both go on the water but in terms of capability the platypus is pretty useless so the comparison is not worth making. The only good use I know for the platypus is for transport and for taking down tormentors.

[DarkOps]

cant beat sniping an icarus out of the sky. best way for sure


I agree totally. This is how I deal with them and its most effective.

[Tw1tch]

icari are annoying and the worst damage they do is on your deployables. people get their panties in a bunch about them but they're not enough to ruin your day. id rather face 10x the amount of icari than one average tormentor pilot.

[rYuuJiN]

call in a hugh airstrike

[RaLLe]

Statistics don't lie and you'll need to show me a different way they can be interpretted to prove my conclusion wrong.

Stats dont lie and ur absolutly right, the facts are clear and you cant hide them in your own way of interpretation:
The different weapons and their reachment plus the vehicle health.
- Bumblebee Assault 'Copter: Health 2200 / MiniGun with Free Look / Crew 5
- Icarus GravPac: Health 160 / Stroybombs / Crew 1

Imo your conclusion is not only wrong, its useless as long as you ignore those facts in your comparison.

One reason why I love ET:QW, everyone is allowed 2 play the game his own way.
If u prefer to take the Bumblebee for your solo-adventures and feel urself worth as much as 4 good icarus pilots, ok.
I prefer 4 good icarus pilots, not only cause the icarus is available on every map by default or by vehicle drop, its fun to penetrate the human scum from above.
But I cant and wont judge who is more worth ...

Ur video was entertaining, its fun 2 watch how easy u took those noobs down with nades, thats why i friendly asked for the How to Kill a bumblebee vid. :cool:
Thx for the (not working) link, but I wasnt interested in some how to FLY a bumblebee videos neither in any plasma mortar tutorial, its not that hard 2 take the Bumblebee down, there are enough possiblities, actually its possible with the icarus.
Sad but true: atm lot players just ignore the Bumblebee/Anansi/Tormentor ingame, its easier 2 get them fast down if everyones shooting some bullets into their direction. I count on VOIP to fix this ..

[Das_Paradoxon]

i killed a few icarus pilots with assault rifle, aint that hard, when u keep moving he can't hit u with Stroybombs and sooner or later u get him,
good method is also using Titan, switch between Tank Gun against deployables and vehicles and Minigun for near infantry or fast moving things like Icarus.

But funniest still is to kill em with Anansi, just shoot at their direction, Icarus explodes and with them the pilot. Since Icarus is lowest armored vehicle it explodes even far away of a LAW impact.
Thats also how i kill annoying strogg snipers and oppressors on hilltops who try to escape :p

edit: Nogen, ur statistic explanation just proves, one Nogen in a bumblebee can kill same amount of ppl in same time as 10 RaLLes would in Icarus.
I dont think its enough for a statistic proved rule that bumblebee is better than icarus in general.

[Nogen]

i killed a few icarus pilots with assault rifle, aint that hard, when u keep moving he can't hit u with Stroybombs and sooner or later u get him,
good method is also using Titan, switch between Tank Gun against deployables and vehicles and Minigun for near infantry or fast moving things like Icarus.

But funniest still is to kill em with Anansi, just shoot at their direction, Icarus explodes and with them the pilot. Since Icarus is lowest armored vehicle it explodes even far away of a LAW impact.
Thats also how i kill annoying strogg snipers and oppressors on hilltops who try to escape :p

edit: Nogen, ur statistic explanation just proves, one Nogen in a bumblebee can kill same amount of ppl in same time as 10 RaLLes would in Icarus.
I dont think its enough for a statistic proved rule that bumblebee is better than icarus in general.

No I know it doesn't...but you are comparing the number one icarus pilot (by XP and I think kills per minute as well) with the number three bumblebee pilot (in XP but number one in kills per minute). So I would expect the stats to roughly be similar as you go down the ranks for both vehicles. My point was more for the people complaining about the icarus messing up the balance when they underuse the resources on their own side.

Bumblebee videos (http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14899)
There's the working link...

You might prefer 4 good icarus pilots but I'd prefer an almost fully crewed bumblebee :P Lots more fun for the whole family ;)

[RaLLe]

You might prefer 4 good icarus pilots but I'd prefer an almost fully crewed bumblebee :P Lots more fun for the whole family ;)

Well FUN is on first place here 2, and of course a good teamplay to enjoy the game.
If both do their job well, the icarus-pilot and/or the bumblebee-pilot plus the team will benefit and win the map. :cool:
TY 4 the working link!

edit: one RaLLe without any vehicle can kill same amount of ppl in same time as 10 Das_Paradoxon´s would in any vehicle. :p