GNU/Linux Beta

[barf]

Hello world

Will the Linux Beta of QW be released along with the Win32 ?
If not, when will the beta be released for the platform?

I am sorry for starting a new thread regarding this but there is little to no official mention I can find about the Linux release.

iD/Splash earns alot of respect for releasing titles for Linux and I hope to continue holding these publishers in high regard.

Thanks in advance and please don't reply if you don't know (to keep this thread consice).

[Ecto-Syn9]

Omg...thank you for reopening what I call and important thread (I posted the first one) :D
Yes I want to play the beta!!!!

[TTK-Bandit]

after they closed the first one, I doubt they will say anything to this one (except for closing it again maybe).
and as far as I can see, there will be no linux beta, at least not together with the windows one.

[General.Jung]

Hello Forum,

iD/Splash earns alot of respect for releasing titles for Linux and I hope to continue holding these publishers in high regard.
I agree, but I think the beta will not run on linux. Sadly, because Enemy Territory: QUAKE Wars should also be tested on Linux. I think the linux developers are working on the server at the moment.

[badman]

This Public Beta is for Windows only.

[MANITOU]

This Public Beta is for Windows only.

ok it's for WIN ! and what with Linux ? nothing or on the way !?

[klr]

This Public Beta is for Windows only.

disappointing.

[MANITOU]

disappointing

M$ gonna make more dollarZ

[fpthree]

Well - I just said screw it and see if I can get a key as if I buy an additional 33.00 Annual membership fee. (The File Planet Member of 3.33 a mo.).
And I purshased it, and received my key. I'm good to go. Peace Y

[Loto_Bak]

Has the team committed to releasing a Linux client?

Personally I would love to have one :)

[Kamikazee]

Has the team committed to releasing a Linux client?

Personally I would love to have one :)Not for the beta, as badman said.
The final game will have a Linux client, at least if it's up to TTimo from id software.

[Ecto-Syn9]

This Public Beta is for Windows only.

Well I might not bother buying this game at all...Ill have to seriously think about it first now...

Not for the beta, as badman said.
The final game will have a Linux client, at least if it's up to TTimo from id software.

yeah...but untested...so there for I might not get it....

edit: TTimo is a genius and I wouldn't trust anyone else to make a port of ID's games
edit no. 2: I probably will though buy it anyway....but...hey..I cant wait to play as strogg

[peoples]

This is not really a test for platforms, more of massload stresstest. I'm sure that SD has their own QA done on linux too.

[The General]

Try playing this beta in wine/cedega/crossoveroffice ... should work fine. Prey works fine, Doom3, Quake 4 work fine ...

Try it and see what happens... if it doesn't work, give your key to someone else. :)

PS - there are Quake 4 and Doom 3 Linux Demos ... I can only assume there will be an ET:QW linux demo. Stop worrying! It will work fine. Look at how great all the other games ID made for linux work. RTCW, WolfET, Doom3, Quake 4, heh ... excellent stuff.

[MANITOU]

i vil try with cedega , when i get key !
somebody should give key to me to try if run on cedega !!:rolleyes:

[Ferocious]

disappointing

M$ gonna make more dollarZ

I agree with you

[illicit]

Well I might not bother buying this game at all...Ill have to seriously think about it first now...



yeah...but untested...so there for I might not get it....

edit: TTimo is a genius and I wouldn't trust anyone else to make a port of ID's games
edit no. 2: I probably will though buy it anyway....but...hey..I cant wait to play as strogg

When has id ever release a linux client at the same time as Windows during beta? They are not doing anything differently as far as I can see. It is always Windows first followed by Linux. But yeah don't let that stop you from having a sook.

PS I run vista and ubuntu 7.04 64 so I would like a amd64 linux binary too, but I am not going to have a slashcry because I don't have it now because I live in reality and realise that a) most published don't bother with linux at ALL and b) it will be pretty difficult for the devs to run a win and linux beta side by side.

[Loto_Bak]

I wouldnt expect ID to release a Linux Beta now either.
The fact that a port is being done at all is something to be happy about. The fact that its not ready for mass consumption at a windows beta release is not a cause for alarm or anger.
The install base for windows game applications far exceeds that of linux users and development resources should be (and likely are) assigned in the same proportion.

I'm glad to see ID maintaining their Linux support! Thank you to all involved :)

[MANITOU]

if enybody get the key then try cedega or crossover (i have cedega not crossover but no key:( ) post if its work !

[Akira]

When has id ever release a linux client at the same time as Windows during beta?

Quake 3 is the case if I remember right, though I really can't understand someone who wants to play games on Linux. :confused:

[The General]

Quake 3 is the case if I remember right, though I really can't understand someone who wants to play games on Linux. :confused:


:eek: :eek: :eek:
Linux is free (http://kernel.org/).
Linux is open source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source).
Linux is my operating system of choice. I choose it, because I like it. I have the freedom to choose, so I do so.
id Software always releases its games for Linux. That means they run natively... if you are under the misconception that we are talking about running the Windows client in Linux, then you are mistaken.
The games id Software release for Linux are identical to their Windows counterparts. If I were to load Quake 4 for Linux and bring you in the room to play, you'd have no idea it wasn't Windows.
Freakin' M$ trolls are brainwashed by all this DirectX nonsense. Fact is, DirectX is not the standard. OpenGL is the standard. DirectX is Microsoft's proprietary API that only works in Windows. They have it because they are greedy. They won't let it run in Linux because they are greedy. They won't let it run in Mac OS X because they are greedy. I don't like supporting that kind of greed.
In case you hadn't gotten the memo, Linux > Windows and everyone knows it. The only people who deny it are just too stubborn to submit to the fact that the software they have on their computer is not the best. And there's also the stampede of ignorance and stores like Best Buy ... dumbasses who go buy that $400 eMachines and "just use what comes on it" which *surprise!* it's Windows! It's your fault you use Windows.
Many people are locked in to the horrible OS that is Windows because they are gamers, and almost all games are Windows-only. I want to support Linux, so whatever games are available for Linux, I play in Linux. I have never played Doom 3 in Windows. I have played the following games in Linux only, never in Windows: Quake 3, Quake 4, Doom 3, RTCW, Wolf:ET, UT2k3, UT2k4, America's Army. You know what happened when America's Army killed support for Linux? I quit playing it.


Hopefully that gives you some kind of an idea why people want to play games in Linux. Given the fact that the games work perfectly in Linux, what is bad about playing them in Linux? Can you give me any reason NOT to play the games in Linux?

[MANITOU]

i agree The General !
most people dont know that DirectX is retarted child of OpenGL just for making $.
i dont hate windows i hate they sell everything for it (70%win users newer pay for win. and then find crack for that find crack for this , is it spyware or virus in crack or is it good!!!!!!


i hate when Winblowers say something against Linux and they newer try it !


90 % games can run on win just becouse of $ (again) .(10% is ID , thx )

[Akira]

Negative! I can't agree, General Sir!
:dance: :dance: :dance:

[MANITOU]

Negative! I can't agree, General Sir!
:dance: :dance: :dance:

if you are gamer you use Win.
if you wanna use your Hardware and brain then use linux ! :oppressor:

i switch to Linux to learn something , not just (win. installation), OK , I AGREE , NEXT , NEXT , FINISH .

[barf]

I don't mind waiting, i just hope there is an announcement about the Linux versions release date when the final release date is announced.

[L33t Masta]

:eek: :eek: :eek:
Linux is free (http://kernel.org/).
WHo cares? You get what you pay for in the computer world and in this case CRAP
Linux is open source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source).
So instead of professionals making your patches it's some 12 year old
Linux is my operating system of choice. I choose it, because I like it. I have the freedom to choose, so I do so.
It's your chice if you don't want to have a working PC
id Software always releases its games for Linux. That means they run natively... if you are under the misconception that we are talking about running the Windows client in Linux, then you are mistaken.
They're the only company to do so. If you notice everyone else is focusing on Windows because it's a better platform for gaming and it works much better
The games id Software release for Linux are identical to their Windows counterparts. If I were to load Quake 4 for Linux and bring you in the room to play, you'd have no idea it wasn't Windows.
That's why they're called ports
Freakin' M$ trolls are brainwashed by all this DirectX nonsense. Fact is, DirectX is not the standard. OpenGL is the standard. DirectX is Microsoft's proprietary API that only works in Windows. They have it because they are greedy. They won't let it run in Linux because they are greedy. They won't let it run in Mac OS X because they are greedy. I don't like supporting that kind of greed.
If DX is not the standard, why is every game using it? There's only a handful that use OpenGL. DX IS thestandard. Hence why it's required on video card to play games. And God help Microsoft for wanting to make money like a normal buisness
In case you hadn't gotten the memo, Linux > Windows and everyone knows it. The only people who deny it are just too stubborn to submit to the fact that the software they have on their computer is not the best. And there's also the stampede of ignorance and stores like Best Buy ... dumbasses who go buy that $400 eMachines and "just use what comes on it" which *surprise!* it's Windows! It's your fault you use Windows.
Excuse me? When was the last time Linux was better than Windows? Maybe when Windows never existed but certainly not now with the release of Vista. DX10, superfetch, Aero and so on. And it's my fault for using the better OS? I can live with that. And I'm sure that the billions that are using Windows can live with it too as opposed to the 3 guys running Linux
Many people are locked in to the horrible OS that is Windows because they are gamers, and almost all games are Windows-only. I want to support Linux, so whatever games are available for Linux, I play in Linux. I have never played Doom 3 in Windows. I have played the following games in Linux only, never in Windows: Quake 3, Quake 4, Doom 3, RTCW, Wolf:ET, UT2k3, UT2k4, America's Army. You know what happened when America's Army killed support for Linux? I quit playing it.
Yea....no. I use Windows because it actually lets my computer perform the best it can. Linux support is non-existant and consists of people yelling "RTFM" at you in forums and IRC chat. Where Windows has a nice help feature for people whoare new to it.


Hopefully that gives you some kind of an idea why people want to play games in Linux. Given the fact that the games work perfectly in Linux, what is bad about playing them in Linux? Can you give me any reason NOT to play the games in Linux?

I sure can give a reason of why not to play a game on Linux: They don't work.

[Nail]

maybe an admin could post the site stats for O/S, everyone might be surprised

[L33t Masta]

Not really. Windows would be more than Linux with Mac at 2nd. Just like the real world stats.

[Nail]

but then a lot of windows users really just use their computers as a console with mouse and keyboard support

[b0rsuk]

Ignore L33t Masta. Don't talk to him. Threads featuring this guy often get closed.
Stay on topic. If he's trolling as usual, you can go to your profile control pannel - buddy list and banned users - and add him to to ignore liest.

[Nuxil]

To bad we wount see a beta in linux.. so i guess i will have to wait for the linux release.. i dont mind waiting some more months for the linux version..
linux would be the perfect gaming platform.. since in linux you can make a dedicated gaming distro. cut out all unessesary services. compared to windows which run all kind of stupid apps in the background that you dont really need, which take up cpu power you could use for the game instead.

I am all for linux.. currently running kubuntu feisty :)

[danteuk]

I sure I'm not the only one here with a dual boot machine.
WinXP
Linux ( Suse 10.2 )

Any time they want to drop me the etqw binary for Linux I'll be happy to test it.
always useful to compare Windows and Linux builds on the same hardware.

I enjoy gaming on Linux:
Q3
RTCW
W:ET
D3
Q4

Anyone that says gaming Linux doesn't work is an idiot.
I loved the Live CD Epic did with Unreal 2003 demo - Boot straight of the CD - choose your resolution and play the demo - no install!!
That would make a cool Linux demo or beta for ETQW - just put the iso image on the website to download, then people can burn it on to a DVD, boot off it and play ETQW.

[illicit]

Um gaming on linux....... biggest myth ever, your games run better under linux.

WRONG.

The proprietary linux drivers that you have to install from NVIDIA and ATI are often of an inferior quality than the Windows drivers, which basically has an end result of lower FPS when playing under linux.

Don't believe me? Run some bench marks on both.

Having said that, I do appreciate having l00nix clients for my games. However some of you linux fanbois are letting your fanboism cloud reality to much.

[Bombermann]

This Public Beta is for Windows only.

ooohhhmmm well, gotta wait for the release then... it's hard to a find a copy of windows at my place

[L33t Masta]

Ignore L33t Masta. Don't talk to him. Threads featuring this guy often get closed.
Stay on topic. If he's trolling as usual, you can go to your profile control pannel - buddy list and banned users - and add him to to ignore liest.

Well we have the Linux fanboys opinion...

Anyway, the reason I think they want to test it on Windows is because the larger number of people use the windows platform for gaming. This allows them to stress test the servers gradually until they eventually get all 60K keys assigned. I think the minority of Linux users is the cause here. Nothing personal guys. And b0rsuk, grow up.

[MANITOU]

Ignore L33t Masta. Don't talk to him. Threads featuring this guy often get closed.
Stay on topic. If he's trolling as usual, you can go to your profile control pannel - buddy list and banned users - and add him to to ignore liest.

i'm with you from now !

linux native client will be out soon , like all games made by ID !

[The General]

Um gaming on linux....... biggest myth ever

Myth? I do it every day! Silly you. :p

, your games run better under linux.

WRONG.

They don't. Read the benchmarks, they generally run better in Windows. Who said they ran better in Linux? :confused:

The proprietary linux drivers that you have to install from NVIDIA and ATI are often of an inferior quality than the Windows drivers, which basically has an end result of lower FPS when playing under linux.

You say proprietary as if the drivers you use in Windows are not. :p

You must not understand the universal driver model Nvidia uses. I will agree with you that ATI's drivers are inferior right now, but once they are made open source, they will be improved greatly. By who? The Linux community of course. See, out software is open source, so we can do whatever we want to it. :D

On to Nvidia's driver model ... basically there is a binary blob that deals with hardware. That binary blob is universal. There is another part that is the "middle man" so to speak between said blob, and the kernel. The drivers are exactly the same, the only thing different is the kernel module... which (I believe?) is open source.

Don't believe me? Run some bench marks on both.

You mean like these?
http://anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2241

Granted, they are old. But they portray the truth. These games run slightly faster in Windows than they do in Linux. But, maybe, just maybe, we're willing to give up 5 fps to be able to use the operating system that we want to use instead of having to pay hundreds of dollars for an operating system we don't want to use?

Having said that, I do appreciate having l00nix clients for my games. However some of you linux fanbois are letting your fanboism cloud reality to much.

You're a silly one...

[illicit]

Myth? I do it every day! Silly you. :p



They don't. Read the benchmarks, they generally run better in Windows. Who said they ran better in Linux? :confused:



You say proprietary as if the drivers you use in Windows are not. :p

You must not understand the universal driver model Nvidia uses. I will agree with you that ATI's drivers are inferior right now, but once they are made open source, they will be improved greatly. By who? The Linux community of course. See, out software is open source, so we can do whatever we want to it. :D

On to Nvidia's driver model ... basically there is a binary blob that deals with hardware. That binary blob is universal. There is another part that is the "middle man" so to speak between said blob, and the kernel. The drivers are exactly the same, the only thing different is the kernel module... which (I believe?) is open source.



You mean like these?
http://anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2241

Granted, they are old. But they portray the truth. These games run slightly faster in Windows than they do in Linux. But, maybe, just maybe, we're willing to give up 5 fps to be able to use the operating system that we want to use instead of having to pay hundreds of dollars for an operating system we don't want to use?



You're a silly one...

Wtf are you retarded, you just linked to bench marks showing doom3 running a a full 5 to 20 frames per second slower than Windows. You just owned your own post without me having to say anything lol.

PS I understand what linux drivers are and they ARE NOT exactly the same, again have a read of your own post to find out how they are different. Seriously fanbois, lol.

[The General]

Wtf are you retarded, you just linked to bench marks showing q3 running a a full 5 to 20 frames per second slower than Windows. You just owned your own post without me having to say anything lol.

Are you blind, son? Read my post. I will not say this again:

Games run slightly slower in Linux. No one is saying they run faster. No one.

PS I understand what linux drivers are and they ARE NOT exactly the same, again have a read of your own post to find out how they are different. Seriously fanbois, lol.

The driver is the same. The kernel module is different. That's what I said ... That's the truth.

You really are a silly one. :p

[barf]

stop this off topic 'driver' discussion now. do it in your own thread.

anyway, even if Linux doesn't have graphics drivers as good as Windows there is no hope of refuting the fact Linux's networking capabilities make Windows look like a Kindergarten OS, add that to the superior virtualisation technologies supported (in VMware, Windows runs faster in Linux than Windows does under Windows), I get a better ping gaming in Linux so I will continue to enjoy the humor of newbies complaining about lag, restarting their $4000 PCs because of instability and overclocking, benchmarking e-penis wars.

[L33t Masta]

stop this off topic 'driver' discussion now. do it in your own thread.

anyway, even if Linux doesn't have graphics drivers as good as Windows there is no hope of refuting the fact Linux's networking capabilities make Windows look like a Kindergarten OS, add that to the superior virtualisation technologies supported (in VMware, Windows runs faster in Linux than Windows does under Windows), I get a better ping gaming in Linux so I will continue to enjoy the humor of newbies complaining about lag, restarting their $4000 PCs because of instability and overclocking, benchmarking e-penis wars.

Oh, so the fact that your OS is free, doesn't do anything useful and is basiclly nothing but open source slop thrown together to make you not have to pay the money for a good OS. Also Virtualization is a waste of good resources. And you know, It's not that hard to avoid restarting your computer if it's never doing anything. Hence why Linux never needs a reboot. So while you're enjoying your slow toned down gfx in Linux, I'll be enjoying the game fully on my Windows Vista computer.

[riddim]

I just have to say that I love the fact that ID is releasing their games for linux aswell as for windows. Hopfully wll soon get some info about the Linux release :)

[mangu]

i vil try with cedega , when i get key !
somebody should give key to me to try if run on cedega !!:rolleyes:

Doesn't work. Tested on UBUNTU + CEDEGA 6.0.2 (NVIDIA Card), and Wine
At the ending of the install it shows an error, something about unsopported system.

Surely CEDEGA is the worst platform to beta test the game, in fact the final game will not need to run on CEDEGA/WINE at all, as will be a Linux Client out there ;)

Running it into cedega/wine will cause some errors that u never will know if are caused by the game or cedega, making it useless for testing purposes. Maybe when the demo is released we can get either a cedega entry from transgaming, or a linux demo.

I will prefer a Linux demo a lot xDD

Salu2

[mangu]

/ignoring L33t Masta.

:rolleyes:

Please moderators, this guy is running out of topics on every post.
I don't understand someone coming to a post asking for linux support, only to blame against linux.

Guy, don't bother answering me, I will not read your post, as lot of us will do.
Only want to say you: If not helping, your mouth is better closed.
Just talk about things you know.

Thanks

Salu2

[L33t Masta]

/ignoring L33t Masta.

:rolleyes:

Please moderators, this guy is running out of topics on every post.
I don't understand someone coming to a post asking for linux support, only to blame against linux.

Guy, don't bother answering me, I will not read your post, as lot of us will do.
Only want to say you: If not helping, your mouth is better closed.
Just talk about things you know.

Thanks

Salu2

I really don't care if you ignore me or not. Feigning ignorance to the "problem" is not the way to fix it.

Anyway, I don't think iD will allow for a beta because of the reasons I posted above. Linux simply isn't going togive them the stress tests they want on the game to find all the bugs and get all the kinks out and ready for the majority market.

[sponge]

Guys, just ignore L33t Masta. The reason why there's no Linux binary because it isn't ready yet. Thankfully, id & crew don't share the above immature attitude towards Linux.

[barf]

yes the anandtech comparison was full of mistakes, Ubuntu is faster than Vista any day.

[The General]

yes the anandtech comparison was full of mistakes, Ubuntu is faster than Vista any day.

Well the Anandtech review was Linux vs. XP, which is about right. I didn't think about Linux vs. Vista. You're right. Linux runs a bit faster than Vista. :)

[danteuk]

The benchmarks I did show Linux 4-5 fps slower than Windows in Doom3 - didn't stop me enjoying it.
I have an old machine that used to crash all the time with Windows - I now use it to play W:ET under Linux.

I'm not interested in Wine or CEDEGA - I've tried it a couple of times in the past and unless you want to run MS's calculator or notepad it was pretty bad.


L33t Masta - Linux isn't a problem, you are.
You don't like free software that does it's job - fine play with Microsoft they will happily take you money and you PC's resources too.
Since you don't care whether there is a Linux port or not why bother to post here apart from to prove how little you know about Linux or computers in general.
Frankly it's embarrassing how little you understand.
I think it would be better for everyone if you stuck to playing your XBox.

[L33t Masta]

L33t Masta - Linux isn't a problem, you are.
You don't like free software that does it's job - fine play with Microsoft they will happily take you money and you PC's resources too.
Since you don't care whether there is a Linux port or not why bother to post here apart from to prove how little you know about Linux or computers in general.
Frankly it's embarrassing how little you understand.
I think it would be better for everyone if you stuck to playing your XBox.

In that post I WAS referring to myself. Hence the "" marks around "problem". I'm fine with paying Microsoft the money they deserve for the latest and greatest in PC software. I mean I don't have a powerful computer capable of running DX10 for nothing. And system resource usage is going to go up. Thats a FACT. Thats why we're constantly developing new and faster PC parts. And by "how little I understand" you obviously mean "how little I want to listen to the facts". Face it. Windows is more popular and it going to stress test wthe beta a whole lot more than Linux will. it simply uses the hardware better. The whole idea of the beta test is to get data on bugs and glitches. When youarn't running official drivers for all your hardware that can make it a little harder to get standardized results. You can ignore me and dislike me for telling the truth all you like. I don't really care.

[bMd]

Using Wine-0.9.39


Installation error:
Unable to launch C:\windows\temp\vcredist_x86.exe"


When try to run game get "Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library" error popup:
Runtime Error!

Program: C:\Program F...

R6034
An application has made an attempt to load the C runtime library
incorrectly.
Please contact the application's support team for more information.:(

[The General]

Anybody have Cedega that can give it a try?

[barf]

When youarn't running official drivers for all your hardware

l33t masta really doesn't have a clue. I'm adding him to my ignore list now.

Since what, 2003? whenever NVidia bought 3dfx, theres been official NVidia Linux drivers, often supporting more features than the Windows drivers, eg 16x anti-aliasing on FX-series cards works in Linux and not Windows.

[milambyr]

I signed up here to tell you guys that I have Cedega and when this beta is done downloading I am going to try it out for y'all.

I will let you know the results.

Also I'm on Ubuntu 7.04.

[The General]

Awesome, thanks!

[barf]

it simply uses the hardware better.
this is bull-defecation also. my NVidia card works perfectly in Linux.

and Virtualisation a "waste of resources" ? ... over 50% of the World's servers run Linux now because Linux consumes less power (in Watts) than Windows. You clearly do not have the knowledge or understanding of basic computing principles to be taken seriously here. So Vista probably suits you.

[milambyr]

Sorry guys, didn't work in Cedega 6 either.

"536870920 Internal error" during install, also got "Error 1719: Windows installer service could not be accessed."

The first error I've seen trying to install Age of Empires III and it hasn't been fixed yet, so it looks like it's a no go on Linux. I tried changing a bunch of the install settings as well and no luck.

Edit: I also tried Wine just to verify the above post and I get the same errors.

[mstewart207]

I switched from windows vista to Pclinuxos 3 months ago. I could not be happier. My games might run a few FPS slower then windowsXP (but you can't tell because they never drop below the 60fps cutoff anyway) but they are definantly faster then Vista. Oh yeah with Beryl 3d desktop, the graphic user interface kicks the living shit out of any of the visual effects of Vista. This is coming from someone who was rather impressed with vista's visuals. I switched to linux because I wanted to learn more about computers.

The most impressive thing about linux from my experience is its support for different files. You can play any kind of avi file without downloaded codecs. You convert avi -> dvd or anything to anything right at the console. You see all these shitty audio/video converters or players for windows. They all cost at least 30 bucks to use, and lots of experience with key generators and bit torrent have lead me to believe that 90% of them are without out a doubt completely ****ing worthless. But in linux every tool you would possibly need for your computer is free. And most of time they are better then there commercial counterparts.

So yes while games might run 2 - 5 fps slower then Windows XP, everything else runs better in linux and its free. I am also very proud to say KDE + Beryl looks a thousand times sharper then vista, and looks like it runs smoother as well. Oh BTW if you really are missing those five fps, you can boot into X failsafe and run quake4 and doom3 from just a console and you can have them back, and maybe a couple more.

I run an AMD athlon 64 3200+
geforce 6800 256
2 gigs of ram

Quake 4 and doom 3 never leave 60 fps. I also run 1280x1024 on ultra quality. And doom3 will run with 4x antiallising without dropping below 60.

One more thing... I thought ever sense quake3, the engines compiled on all 3 platforms with no problems. I don't know if thats the case anymore, maybe someone can tell me. But I thought Carmack said thats how they were gonna do it from then on. They really should test the game on linux if they are interested in testing it. But I kind of think testing QW is not the point of this whole release at all. They are probably releasing the beta to drum up interest in the game, and to sell some fileplanet subscriptions.

[barf]

looks like it's a no go on Linux.
you mean it's a no go under WINE

I wouldn't use WINE for games if you paid me. Sure it's amazing software for dynamically recompiling Direct3D into OpenGL on-the-fly but it's a duct-tape solution compared to native platform support.

mstewart: good on you for switching, I have not used Windows natively on my PC since like 2001, the new user experience for Linux was not so good back then so I'm glad to hear things are improving.

The 2nd X server trick is great too! I forgot I had Windows XP running in VMware the other day while playing Americas Army ;-)

[Kamikazee]

One more thing... I thought ever sense quake3, the engines compiled on all 3 platforms with no problems. I don't know if thats the case anymore, maybe someone can tell me. But I thought Carmack said thats how they were gonna do it from then on. They really should test the game on linux if they are interested in testing it. But I kind of think testing QW is not the point of this whole release at all. They are probably releasing the beta to drum up interest in the game, and to sell some fileplanet subscriptions.
I would like to point out that the Linux counterpart of the game doesn't need that much testing. The current beta is to test the game, the game code itself should probably compile in Linux with a few minor exceptions in #defines, GC++ or other tweaks.

So the only thing which should be specifically tested is the port of the game engine itself. And I would think that is something which can be done pretty easy, at least if you know where you had to change OS-dependent calls and where those might cause trouble when running the game.

[milambyr]

No, I mean on Linux. The beta will not work on Linux natively, under WINE, or under Cedega. Unless someone got it working.

The retail WILL work on Linux natively, so they've said.

you mean it's a no go under WINE

I wouldn't use WINE for games if you paid me. Sure it's amazing software for dynamically recompiling Direct3D into OpenGL on-the-fly but it's a duct-tape solution compared to native platform support.

mstewart: good on you for switching, I have not used Windows natively on my PC since like 2001, the new user experience for Linux was not so good back then so I'm glad to hear things are improving.

The 2nd X server trick is great too! I forgot I had Windows XP running in VMware the other day while playing Americas Army ;-)

[The General]

Well I've been screwing around with wine, cedega and crossover office for a few hours now. I have gotten the client to load, and I can use the menu but when I try to load a map, it hangs. I can't get it to work in windowed mode, so I can't take a screenshot. :mad:

The installer works perfectly fine until the end when it tries to install DirectX, then it just fails and says to install DirectX before I run the game.

I guess that's a start .... :(

We'll see what I can figure out tomorrow.

[L33t Masta]

Well I've been screwing around with wine, cedega and crossover office for a few hours now. I have gotten the client to load, and I can use the menu but when I try to load a map, it hangs. I can't get it to work in windowed mode, so I can't take a screenshot. :mad:

The installer works perfectly fine until the end when it tries to install DirectX, then it just fails and says to install DirectX before I run the game.

I guess that's a start .... :(

We'll see what I can figure out tomorrow.

Why not just wait for a binary to come out? It's probably less trouble in the long run. I'm sure it will be here in a month or so.

[The General]

Why not just wait for a binary to come out? It's probably less trouble in the long run. I'm sure it will be here in a month or so.

I like to tinker with shit like this ... it's kind of a hobby.

[L33t Masta]

I know what you mean. But I don't think with all the problem's we're even having on Windows that it will work on Linux.

[noriX]

Ok no Linux Open Beta, and what is with the Demo and the Release ? Do the linux version commes concurrently with the windows version ?

#noriX

[bMd]

I have gotten the client to load, and I can use the menu but when I try to load a map, it hangs. What are you using to load the game??

If wine, how did you get pass the "err:module:LdrInitializeThunk "MSVCR80.dll" failed to initialize, aborting" error??

[The General]

What are you using to load the game??

If wine, how did you get pass the "err:module:LdrInitializeThunk "MSVCR80.dll" failed to initialize, aborting" error??

I ran the installer with WINE and copied the directory over into ~/.cedega/c_drive/ to run the game.

I couldn't get past that part in wine, but in Cedega using the 5.2 engine, set to "Windows 2000", Pthreads ON, I was able to get the game to load.

I reckon that getting past the MSVCR80.dll error will get it to run in wine, but I'll have to look further into it.

[bMd]

Thanks, didn't have much time to look into it yesterday. Hope to try it tonight with Cedega 6

[Nuxil]

when the linux version comes out. im gonna pawn you all on X number of desktops :P
startx -- 1 && ./qw
startx -- 2 && ./qw
startx -- 3 && ./qw
so on... :p

[Ferocious]

when the linux version comes out. im gonna pawn you all on X number of desktops :P
startx -- 1 && ./qw
startx -- 2 && ./qw
startx -- 3 && ./qw
so on... :p

How many frame buffers has your video card? :rolleyes:

[Nuxil]

geez get some humor.. or am i missing it,? ther is no problem playing on several X servers.. i tested with Q4 and ther is no problem at all. the game plays smoothlty.. i think that the X server(s) that are not active is in some sleep mode.. not sure thought.

ps.. why do 90% of the people need to be dead seriouse all the time

[jarhead-x]

I am really close to getting etqw.exe to launch using ubuntu 7.04 and wine. Cedega doesn't work at all.

Here is where I am stuck.http://www.prowessnetworks.com/etqw-linux.png

I am guessing that it is using some type of windows call to see if the system is running in 32 bpp mode?

I also saw that somebody else has been hammering away trying to get this to work. I got past his problem by installing microsoft.vc80.crt.zip into my "My Product Name" directory where etqw resides.

We're close...please help with the Desktop must be set to 32 bpp mode thing.

[sponge]

I haven't seen the 32bpp error. I know other people have gotten it to the menu, so it can be worked around. Is the X server running in 32 bit?

[The General]

The X server runs in 24-bit, but Windows runs in 24-bit also and for whatever reason calls it 32-bit.

I'm gunna reboot and test some stuff.

[Tyrano]

I would like to point out that the Linux counterpart of the game doesn't need that much testing. The current beta is to test the game, the game code itself should probably compile in Linux with a few minor exceptions in #defines, GC++ or other tweaks.

So the only thing which should be specifically tested is the port of the game engine itself. And I would think that is something which can be done pretty easy, at least if you know where you had to change OS-dependent calls and where those might cause trouble when running the game.

This is pretty much the only intelligent post in this thread. There is no Linux beta, because, frankly, the number of Linux gamers is a tiny drop in the gamers bucket. Put more simply, the number of gamers who use Windows as their primary operating system is exponentially greater than Linux users.

$5 says 50% of their developers develop on Linux. But the usage numbers just aren't there. It's just business. :D

[jyoungxxxx]

Are you blind, son? Read my post. I will not say this again:

Games run slightly slower in Linux. No one is saying they run faster. No one.



The driver is the same. The kernel module is different. That's what I said ... That's the truth.

You really are a silly one. :p

Games would run FAR... FARRRRRR... faster if it ran on an OS Customized for games and only Linux could do that. Vista for games? You M$ sucking fags are really stooping to a new level of ridiculous pathetic morals.

Think of an OS that doesn't run all of the UNNEEDED services and customer friendly crap (that puts a tremendous resource hog on the system just to help the retard run a computer) and focuses on the performance of games. It would be FAR faster than anything that has ever run on windows. In fact if it was designed to do that as of now I bet there would be no need to upgrade your PC for another 4 years if that. That is how industry runs; screwing the public in every way possible. That is common sense so you can see the motivation behind it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what is going on. People in America (which is where I live) are getting screwed by the corporations severely and don't realize it or they are too naive to know the difference.

I shouldn't have to say these things it is common sense for god sake, the only people that are for windows are people that don't care about computers or they are paid to say it.

[The General]

Games would run FAR... FARRRRRR... faster if it ran on an OS Customized for games and only Linux could do that. Vista for games? You M$ sucking fags are really stooping to a new level of ridiculous pathetic morals.

Think of an OS that doesn't run all of the UNNEEDED services and customer friendly crap (that puts a tremendous resource hog on the system just to help the retard run a computer) and focuses on the performance of games. It would be FAR faster than anything that has ever run on windows. In fact if it was designed to do that as of now I bet there would be no need to upgrade your PC for another 4 years if that. That is how industry runs; screwing the public in every way possible. That is common sense so you can see the motivation behind it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what is going on. People in America (which is where I live) are getting screwed by the corporations severely and don't realize it or they are too naive to know the difference.

I shouldn't have to say these things it is common sense for god sake, the only people that are for windows are people that don't care about computers or they are paid to say it.

Wait. I'm promoting Linux. I prefer Linux. I dislike Windows.

Or did you just quote me for the hell of it? I mean, yes I know games run faster in Linux than in Vista, but not faster than XP... the benchmarks clearly show that.

[L33t Masta]

Games would run FAR... FARRRRRR... faster if it ran on an OS Customized for games and only Linux could do that. Vista for games? You M$ sucking fags are really stooping to a new level of ridiculous pathetic morals.

Think of an OS that doesn't run all of the UNNEEDED services and customer friendly crap (that puts a tremendous resource hog on the system just to help the retard run a computer) and focuses on the performance of games.

Oh, I'm sorry. But to run Windows you need to meet the minimum requirements. Those of us with POWERFUL computers (that arn't 3 years old) can run Windows Vista just fine. Infact I built this machine with Vista in mind. I don't mind giving up another 40 MB to Windows services. They use absolutly NO CPU so it's alright. I have 2 GB of RAM and idc if Windows uses 1/2 of that aslong as it gives it up for games (which it does). Linux is for people with slow computers.

Also I'm not getting paid for it and I DO care what my PC runs. I guess that kills your final statement of "the only people that are for windows are people that don't care about computers or they are paid to say it.". xD

[The General]

Oh, I'm sorry. But to run Windows you need to meet the minimum requirements. Those of us with POWERFUL computers (that arn't 3 years old) can run Windows Vista just fine. Infact I built this machine with Vista in mind. I don't mind giving up another 40 MB to Windows services. They use absolutly NO CPU so it's alright. I have 2 GB of RAM and idc if Windows uses 1/2 of that aslong as it gives it up for games (which it does). Linux is for people with slow computers.

:confused: My computer is faster than yours.

You just admitting that Vista is a resource hog, but you don't care because you have a fast enough computer. So the argument is over, Linux > Vista

Now imagine how much faster it would be without all the bullshit...

[L33t Masta]

:confused: My computer is faster than yours.

You just admitting that Vista is a resource hog, but you don't care because you have a fast enough computer. So the argument is over, Linux > Vista

Now imagine how much faster it would be without all the bullshit...

Err..Windows Vista hogs 40 MB more ram than XP. OH GOD! What a waste for an OS that actually does stuff. And I highly doubt your PC can contend with my 3.95 GHz of dualcore speed. And it wouldn't be much faster. because they take up ZERO CPU while running.

[The General]

Err..Windows Vista hogs 40 MB more ram than XP. OH GOD! What a waste for an OS that actually does stuff. And I highly doubt your PC can contend with my 3.95 GHz of dualcore speed. And it wouldn't be much faster. because they take up ZERO CPU while running.

Vista on my computer right now is taking 550mb of RAM. XP at work uses 120mb with AutoCAD running. There is no comparison.

:O OMG what is that a Pentium D? Give me a break, your CPU is a toy compared to mine. I've got my Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.66ghz right now.

[mothra]

all VISTA does different from XP is checking if you don't play HD-secured media and have all licenses for it in the background. that takes up 80% of all the additional RAM and CPU needed. many articles on that. it's all a marketing scheme, they just wanna sell new Hardware.

[L33t Masta]

Vista on my computer right now is taking 550mb of RAM. XP at work uses 120mb with AutoCAD running. There is no comparison.

:O OMG what is that a Pentium D? Give me a break, your CPU is a toy compared to mine. I've got my Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.66ghz right now.

3.95 vs 3.66...hmmm....

I wouldn't call my cpu a toy.

[milambyr]

You all need to read more about WHY Vista uses more RAM as it actually utilizes it much more effectively than in XP. God, I am so sick of people bitching about Vista's RAM usage as an excuse to complain about the system.
After using Vista for a week I never wanted to go back to XP. Alt-tabbing programs and running multiple programs was insanely faster than on XP, especially since the more you use it the better it gets.

I swear all of you Vista bashers have never used the OS or just have 256 meg of RAM and can't run it. At least test it for yourself.

As an ironic follow up, I am a Ubuntu user now and have learned that it is better for me personally, plus I really dig the open source mentality and sharing with the people for free.

So, someone get this damn beta working in Linux already!

[The General]

3.95 vs 3.66...hmmm....

I wouldn't call my cpu a toy.

What model is your CPU? Is it a Pentium D? Why don't you fill us in, oh great one...

Surely you have the mental capacity and the knowledge of computers to understand that a Pentium D @ 3.96Ghz is about as fast as a Core 2 Duo @ 2.4Ghz, and that Ghz really doesn't matter much anymore ...

And on top of that, I have 4 cores, you only have 2. :p

And don't even give me that crap about how software can't even use that many cores.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z201/paloooz/Untitled-1-10.jpg
EDIT: That was just because I was in Windows when typing this. Otherwise it would have looked something like this (not that you would have any idea how to interpret it):
http://images.smalldog.com/blog/RAM.jpg



You all need to read more about WHY Vista uses more RAM as it actually utilizes it much more effectively than in XP. God, I am so sick of people bitching about Vista's RAM usage as an excuse to complain about the system.
After using Vista for a week I never wanted to go back to XP. Alt-tabbing programs and running multiple programs was insanely faster than on XP, especially since the more you use it the better it gets.

I swear all of you Vista bashers have never used the OS or just have 256 meg of RAM and can't run it. At least test it for yourself.

As an ironic follow up, I am a Ubuntu user now and have learned that it is better for me personally, plus I really dig the open source mentality and sharing with the people for free.

So, someone get this damn beta working in Linux already!

It doesn't matter HOW it uses it, or what it uses it for, what matters is THAT it uses it.

There is less userland memory purely because the OS eats up so much.

[mothra]

I work in software developement, engineering and maintenance. I also provide hardware, configure PCs and sell them. I had 40 pcs of different ranges and for different areas of use given to me by my customers. my mission: to DE-install VISTA from all of them. and my customers are from the trade as well. it's not that they don't know how to configure/use it. most of them installed it to test and get a better understanding, check things out for themselves. since I did all the XP installations for them (back then) they came back to me and asked me to overwrite their VISTA with XP installations. Until SP1 and better driver support VISTA is not for powerusers (and I don't consider audio-ripping, videoencoding and using skype as poweruser applications)
especially all the VISTA DRM features built into the core mechanics of that OS take up 20% of the ressource at least. they work even if you don't have any copyrighted HD material on your pc.

[milambyr]

Because it uses a different system of RAM usage than XP. Instead of trying to keep most of the RAM free like in XP, it uses what it can so programs load faster (which it also tries to predict via program usage). If need be, like when loading or running a game, it can empty that memory and use it for the game instead.
You know, it's not even worth explaining, just Google about how Vista uses RAM differently than XP and do everyone a favor.


There is less userland memory purely because the OS eats up so much.

[The General]

Because it uses a different system of RAM usage than XP. Instead of trying to keep most of the RAM free like in XP, it uses what it can so programs load faster (which it also tries to predict via program usage). If need be, like when loading or running a game, it can empty that memory and use it for the game instead.
You know, it's not even worth explaining, just Google about how Vista uses RAM differently than XP and do everyone a favor.

You make no sense. When I run AutoCAD and open a certian file, AutoCAD needs 850MB of RAM. Without it, it starts swapping on the harddrive. If I have 1GB of RAM, that leaves 150MB of RAM that the OS can have, everything else is needed for AutoCAD!

I have to use a computer at work with 1GB of RAM and Vista on it, and I have these problems all the time. It's so freaking slow because Vista uses some much RAM. You can make things up, and tell me all sorts of bogus reasons as to why it's okay for Vista to eat up half my RAM, but in the end it doesn't matter. I have real world experience in why Vista sucks because of how much RAM it uses.

[L33t Masta]

You all need to read more about WHY Vista uses more RAM as it actually utilizes it much more effectively than in XP. God, I am so sick of people bitching about Vista's RAM usage as an excuse to complain about the system.
After using Vista for a week I never wanted to go back to XP. Alt-tabbing programs and running multiple programs was insanely faster than on XP, especially since the more you use it the better it gets.

I swear all of you Vista bashers have never used the OS or just have 256 meg of RAM and can't run it. At least test it for yourself.

:cool: This man has the idea. Also no program uses more than 2 cores. And The General: I had to upgrade to 2 GB of RAM when swapping to Vista. Sure it uses a little bit more, but it's worth it. it still gives u most of what it uses when something else needs it.

[danteuk]

:cool: This man has the idea. Also no program uses more than 2 cores. And The General: I had to upgrade to 2 GB of RAM when swapping to Vista. Sure it uses a little bit more, but it's worth it. it still gives u most of what it uses when something else needs it.

So you think it's worth upgrading hardware just to run Vista ?
You're the reason that MS doesn't care about how badly they write code and how much resources they use.

Did you know that Linux can do all the flash effects that the Vista desktop has and more - and it uses less resources too - and it doesn't need DX9 ievel hardware either - transparent windows etc have been possible in Linux on machines with no hardware accelerators for years now.

I have a machine with a gui desktop, running a media player playing MP3's, Firefox browsing the web, I edit images and photos too. This machine is an old laptop rescued from a skip because it only reports as having 59mb of RAM!!
Imagine that, a machine doing all that in less than 64mb of RAM - I point this out just so you know how little resources a well written OS can manage with vs a MS's Bloatware OSs.

My work machine is Vista with a P4 cpu and 512mb + a DX9 128mb video card and if I run a browser, a media player and graphics package it slows right down, that's because MS takes a large amount of resource for things 90% of the population don't want or need.
Just look at all the tweak guides online for XP and Vista - they list all the services running in background by default and tell you which ones you can turn off (most of them).
Vista is worse than XP for this ( Vista is worse than XP for a lot of things, it's a giant leap, in the wrong direction )

You obviously don't care that at the moment running on YOUR vista machine are properly close to 100 processes and I bet you don't known or need 90% of them. But you don't care that they all take cpu time and ram when they feel like it.
You'd rather just buy more RAM and say there you go MS keep up the good work, I'm sure one day I might possible need a Telephony(Random example) Services constantly running on my PC - just because 95% of people don't know what TAPI is I'm sure everyone needs it running by default on their PCs.

Linux has the potential to be a great gaming platform because you can strip it down to just a kernal + filesystem + video driver - no extra processes running, the OS taking the absolute minimum of resources - everything else available immediately for the game.

As opposed to Vista that takes almost all of your memory so it can try and guess what you're going to do next - well guess what, it gets it wrong most of the time.
Me, I'd rather the OS leave as much resources available as possible so when I doubleclick on a game or application it can load up fast and grab all it needs without having to fight OS for it and wait for the OS to release MY resources.
After all I take the view that the computer is MINE - it should run what I want and what I need. Not the 100+ processes that MS thinks I might possible want.

MS have forgotten what an OS is actually suppose to be - maybe they should look it up in a wiki because Vista curtainly isn't close.
Think of it like this - You want to get from your house to the shops a couple of miles away - Vista is like ten ton truck - you want to driver THAT to shops ?

[L33t Masta]

Windows Vista is not like a 10 tonne truck. And if it was I would gladly drive it. Microsoft did a great job on the OS. If you don't need the processes disable them through MSCONFIG. God help us that you would need to tweak an OS before you used it. Also I would have bought 2 GB more ram if thats what it took to run Vista. Linux is for slow machines that run on old components. Windows is for the faster ones that are newer. See, we Windows users like to play things called GAMES on our computers. And because our OS is the #1 OS we enjoy thousands of games a year being released on our OS. What's Linux's excuse for that? Oh wait, I know. Our OS is made by professional programmers where as Linux is made by 13 year olds most without jobs. Hence it being free.

[figvam]

Can you keep the OS flame wars out of this thread? Remember, it's about running the beta client under Linux.

[sponge]

Also no program uses more than 2 cores.

Excuse me while I laugh my ass off. You're on the forum of a game that uses more than 2 cores. Which was developed using compilers that work on quad core and above systems. You are utterly ignorant when it comes to computers. Go away and let the big kids talk.

[Keichi]

Back to topic guys..


I come with wine until the loading of all the nesscary files, and then comes this:

ETQW 1.0.9061.29855 win-x86 Jun 9 2007 20:03:42
2672 MHz Intel CPU with MMX & SSE & SSE2 & HTT
1 logical CPUs
1 physical CPUs
HT not available
496 MB System Memory
64 MB Video Memory
Initializing performance queries
Winsock Initialized
Found interface: eth0 - 192.168.0.3/255.255.255.0
Sys_InitNetworking: adding loopback interface
ETQW using MMX & SSE & SSE2 for SIMD processing
enabled Flush-To-Zero mode
enabled Denormals-Are-Zero mode
********************
FATAL ERROR: Sys_DefaultSavePath: SHGetFolderPath on CSIDL_LOCAL_APPDATA failed
********************
--------------- BSE Shutdown ----------------
---------------------------------------------
Shutting down OpenGL subsystem
...releasing DC
...shutting down QGL
idRenderSystem::Shutdown()
Shutting down performance queries
Sys_DefaultSavePath: SHGetFolderPath on CSIDL_LOCAL_APPDATA failed



Any ideas?

[jyoungxxxx]

Don't post Wine debugging logs here, post them at the winehq.org. You will send the wrong message to people that don't use linux. WINE is a program that imitates windows to run games and it does a good job of it regardless of how much microsoft works against it.

[jyoungxxxx]

Wait. I'm promoting Linux. I prefer Linux. I dislike Windows.

Or did you just quote me for the hell of it? I mean, yes I know games run faster in Linux than in Vista, but not faster than XP... the benchmarks clearly show that.


oh no I wasn't attacking you I was just refering to the subject of speed and adding something to it.

[jyoungxxxx]

Oh, I'm sorry. But to run Windows you need to meet the minimum requirements. Those of us with POWERFUL computers (that arn't 3 years old) can run Windows Vista just fine. Infact I built this machine with Vista in mind. I don't mind giving up another 40 MB to Windows services. They use absolutly NO CPU so it's alright. I have 2 GB of RAM and idc if Windows uses 1/2 of that aslong as it gives it up for games (which it does). Linux is for people with slow computers.

Also I'm not getting paid for it and I DO care what my PC runs. I guess that kills your final statement of "the only people that are for windows are people that don't care about computers or they are paid to say it.". xD

Why on earth would anybody with any brains run an OS like Vista that reduces there performance with games by 30fps? it is like taking 1gb of ram and 1ghz of processor speed away from your PC when you can just run it on XP and have full performance? You are clearly just promoting windows or just a fanboy.

Btw, why is it that NASA uses Linux and not xp or vista? Think about that for 3 days as needed. Linux is far more powerful than microsoft products will ever be due to the fact that it is built for versatility to adjust to any specific need and not for the average jackass like yourself.

Let's just see how this game plays in Linux BTW, it will be a good little test to test this theory. It will of course need to be ran on a distro build that is setup right as well.

[The General]

And on top of that, I have 4 cores, you only have 2. :p

And don't even give me that crap about how software can't even use that many cores.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z201/paloooz/Untitled-1-10.jpg
EDIT: That was just because I was in Windows when typing this. Otherwise it would have looked something like this (not that you would have any idea how to interpret it):
http://images.smalldog.com/blog/RAM.jpg

Also no program uses more than 2 cores. And The General: I had to upgrade to 2 GB of RAM when swapping to Vista. Sure it uses a little bit more, but it's worth it. it still gives u most of what it uses when something else needs it.

Up there is a screenshot of me transcoding a video, and it shows that it's using all 4 cores. TONS of programs use more than 2 cores, not just video encoders. ET:QW uses more than 2 cores. How can you possibly deny the truth?

When are you going to tell us which model your "3.95Ghz dual core" is? Is it a Pentium D? Why are you not telling us? Embarrassed? I would be too if I were you.

[Netfeed]

You can play any kind of avi file without downloaded codecs. You convert avi -> dvd or anything to anything right at the console.


VLC (http://www.videolan.org/) and mplayer (http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/news.html) works both in windows and you dont need codes for either. i think i read somewhere that the linux playback drivers for dvd:s is actually illegal in some countries


I am also very proud to say KDE + Beryl looks a thousand times sharper then vista, and looks like it runs smoother as well.

i hope you ain't running games in Beryl, running a opengl app in another isn't really that smart :)

[Netfeed]

Linux has the potential to be a great gaming platform because you can strip it down to just a kernal + filesystem + video driver - no extra processes running, the OS taking the absolute minimum of resources - everything else available immediately for the game.

gentoo (gentoo.org) <3

As opposed to Vista that takes almost all of your memory

what good is unused memory?

[Civil]

disappointing

M$ gonna make more dollarZ

Yeah, they make a few million every time new software comes out on the Win32 platform.

:eek: :eek: :eek:
Freakin' M$ trolls are brainwashed by all this DirectX nonsense. Fact is, DirectX is not the standard. OpenGL is the standard. DirectX is Microsoft's proprietary API that only works in Windows. They have it because they are greedy. They won't let it run in Linux because they are greedy. They won't let it run in Mac OS X because they are greedy. I don't like supporting that kind of greed.
In case you hadn't gotten the memo, Linux > Windows and everyone knows it. The only people who deny it are just too stubborn to submit to the fact that the software they have on their computer is not the best. And there's also the stampede of ignorance and stores like Best Buy ... dumbasses who go buy that $400 eMachines and "just use what comes on it" which *surprise!* it's Windows! It's your fault you use Windows.


/Sigh

You make us Nix users look like rabbid retards. I usually don't respond to silly OS elitism, but it is getting so extremely old. But hey, keep parading your OS like as if it makes you some kind of better person, or whatever the reason it is you parade it around.

/Happily uses Win32 and *Nix without having to rabbidly parade them around.

what good is unused memory?
Consumers appearently don't like actually using what they paid for.

[The General]

Blow it out your ass.... http://www.techonvent.net/tovforums/images/smiles/emoticon_lol.png

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z201/paloooz/Untitled-1-11.jpg

[Keichi]

Don't post Wine debugging logs here, post them at the winehq.org. You will send the wrong message to people that don't use linux. WINE is a program that imitates windows to run games and it does a good job of it regardless of how much microsoft works against it.


That's not a wine debuging log.. Its from qw self..

And i have no intention in bugreporting this to SD! I just post it here, cuz all Linux gamers that are intereseted in setting up the Beta on Linux, look on this Forum first.

[L33t Masta]

Btw, why is it that NASA uses Linux and not xp or vista? Think about that for 3 days as needed. Linux is far more powerful than microsoft products will ever be due to the fact that it is built for versatility to adjust to any specific need and not for the average jackass like yourself.

Then why do more desktops use Windows? Think about that for 3 days as needed. Windows is far more powerful at being compatible and running programs. Also professionals only dev for Windows. :oppressor:

[The General]

Then why do more desktops use Windows? Think about that for 3 days as needed. Windows is far more powerful at being compatible and running programs. Also professionals only dev for Windows. :oppressor:

How's that Pentium D holding up? ... Anyway:

Most desktops use Windows because most people are ignorant. They walk into Best Buy and buy that $400 eMachines and guess what's on it!? Windows! Most software and hardware works with it because it's the most popular and therefore the biggest market. Not because it's better ...

Imagine if one day out of the blue we woke up and everyone but 2% of the world used Linux. Just out of nowhere, this is totally hypothetical and will not happen any time soon. Do you really think gaming companies and "profession devs" will continue to write their games and programs for Windows even though it's only 2% of the market? Highly doubtful. The only reason they choose Windows is because it's the most popular, and therefore has the biggest market. Of course, this doesn't apply to id Software's games... they sell to the entire market.

You must see my point... yes, very few people use Linux compared to Windows, but that's not because Linux is inferior to Windows. It's because people are locked into Windows. It comes on the computers of those who don't know anything else exists. All the games are for Windows because it's so popular. People have been taught Windows their whole life, so they gotta use it because they're either too stupid or too lazy to learn something new.

Et cetera.

Windows is popular because of marketing, and because of it's popularity. Period.

[bMd]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/bMd_/Beating_a_Dead_Horse.gif

[L33t Masta]

How's that Pentium D holding up? ... Anyway:

Most desktops use Windows because most people are ignorant. They walk into Best Buy and buy that $400 eMachines and guess what's on it!? Windows! Most software and hardware works with it because it's the most popular and therefore the biggest market. Not because it's better ...

Imagine if one day out of the blue we woke up and everyone but 2% of the world used Linux. Just out of nowhere, this is totally hypothetical and will not happen any time soon. Do you really think gaming companies and "profession devs" will continue to write their games and programs for Windows even though it's only 2% of the market? Highly doubtful. The only reason they choose Windows is because it's the most popular, and therefore has the biggest market. Of course, this doesn't apply to id Software's games... they sell to the entire market.

You must see my point... yes, very few people use Linux compared to Windows, but that's not because Linux is inferior to Windows. It's because people are locked into Windows. It comes on the computers of those who don't know anything else exists. All the games are for Windows because it's so popular. People have been taught Windows their whole life, so they gotta use it because they're either too stupid or too lazy to learn something new.

Et cetera.

Windows is popular because of marketing, and because of it's popularity. Period.

My PentiumD? Oh it's holding up quite well. Beats the pants off a midrange Core2Duo. And the reason Windows is popular is because of it's programs. So Windows stays popular because of it's programs and programs keep getting made for it. Hmm..You see the cycle? It's not going to break anytime soon. And I was far from ignorant when I purchased Windows Vista. I had been beta testing it since the RC came out. Most people just realize that Windows is better than Linux. But alas, it seems the Linux community shares the same misconception that Linux is better than windows. :confused: When will they learn?

[The General]

My PentiumD? Oh it's holding up quite well. Beats the pants off a midrange Core2Duo. And the reason Windows is popular is because of it's programs. So Windows stays popular because of it's programs and programs keep getting made for it. Hmm..You see the cycle? It's not going to break anytime soon. And I was far from ignorant when I purchased Windows Vista. I had been beta testing it since the RC came out. Most people just realize that Windows is better than Linux. But alas, it seems the Linux community shares the same misconception that Linux is better than windows. :confused: When will they learn?

You just don't even read my posts. You have no idea, do you? You really have no idea what so ever.

It's a vicious cycle. The only reason Windows is the most popular is because it's the most popular. NOT because it's the best.

Yes, you and several thousand other people beta tested Vista (so did I) but those people, as well as the people who bought it knowing what they wanted, don't even compare to the amount of people who just buy a computer and use what's on it.

You really are a troll. I can't even have a conversation with you. The fact that you think your 3.95Ghz Pentium D can at all compare to my processor alone just makes you laughable. Really, what a joke. I can't even believe you pretend to know anything about computers. :eek:

[L33t Masta]

You just don't even read my posts. You have no idea, do you? You really have no idea what so ever.

It's a vicious cycle. The only reason Windows is the most popular is because it's the most popular. NOT because it's the best.

Yes, you and several thousand other people beta tested Vista (so did I) but those people, as well as the people who bought it knowing what they wanted, don't even compare to the amount of people who just buy a computer and use what's on it.

You really are a troll. I can't even have a conversation with you. The fact that you think your 3.95Ghz Pentium D can at all compare to my processor alone just makes you laughable. Really, what a joke. I can't even believe you pretend to know anything about computers. :eek:

Oh I don't pretend. I really do know :) I have after all hand built my last 5 PCs (all Windows based) not to mention fixed numerous problems for friends and family as well as install most of their hardware for them. :cool:

[escapedturkey]

There will be a Linux client for sure. No point in trying to convince a person to try out Linux unless he or she has the self-determined motivation. Linux is sort of like personal self-actualization, a person has to want a computer to maximize its true potential.

:)

[L33t Masta]

I'm pretty sure they will have a client ready for demo or release. I'm not too sure about beta at this point. They could have one in the works but I think they might be a bit busy fixing all the bugs on the Planet Quake Wars forum to get a beta out :(

[8tsixed]

I can confirm that the beta client does run on wine, with a few tweaks, theres a bit of an issue with the key board controls though. Still looking into that.

[The General]

Screenshots? :dance:

[8tsixed]

The textures are muddy, and I can't move yet..but that's what I'll be doing tomorrow :)

[Ze_BeaT]

The textures are muddy, and I can't move yet..but that's what I'll be doing tomorrow :)

There seems to be a patch for the keyboard problem http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8755

Didn't have the time to test the beta with wine today, just curious, did you install the game in windows or with wine ?

Cheers

[Ferocious]

I can confirm that the beta client does run on wine, with a few tweaks, theres a bit of an issue with the key board controls though. Still looking into that.

Please, could you explain this to us? I cannot find the MSVCR80.dll in my Wine installation. Thanks in advance!

[Keichi]

I can confirm that the beta client does run on wine, with a few tweaks, theres a bit of an issue with the key board controls though. Still looking into that.


Just a Question.. What for a Graphic Card do you have?

Cuz the Guys from wine team think, that its possible, that the game only run, if you have a NV 7XXX or higher.

Cuz.. The Game freeze everytime with a 6800, but works with a 7800

[bMd]

Please, could you explain this to us? I cannot find the MSVCR80.dll in my Wine installation. Thanks in advance!
Checkout: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=8366

[8tsixed]

There seems to be a patch for the keyboard problem http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8755

Didn't have the time to test the beta with wine today, just curious, did you install the game in windows or with wine ?

Cheers

I first copied it over from the girlfriends vista installation, but just for kicks I deleted and ran the installer just to see if it would work. A few pop ups complaining that this or that wouldn't run, but clicking through it, it installed fine.

I'll try that keyboard patch, thanks :).

Please, could you explain this to us? I cannot find the MSVCR80.dll in my Wine installation. Thanks in advance!

Looks like someone posted a howto already in the link bMd provided. That looks exactly like the problems I had to sort through, I assume that's valid.

Just a Question.. What for a Graphic Card do you have?

nvidia 7950GT 512M


I applied the keyboard patch and I am able to move around now.

Only issue I'm having is that the mouse seems to be a bit jerky, not sure whats causing that

[jarhead-x]

I did a little howto for linux:

http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3134&highlight=linux

maybe a moderator can pin it?

[Dead1nside]

Yeh, I'm sure id/SD will release a Linux client in time. Getting the Windows release out the door is the most important step at the moment.

[Ferocious]

Yeh, I'm sure id/SD will release a Linux client in time. Getting the Windows release out the door is the most important step at the moment.

If QW does run fine with Wine, they could never release a Linux client :o

[bMd]

Yeh, I'm sure id/SD will release a Linux client in time. Getting the Windows release out the door is the most important step at the moment.

Any word if the linux client is gonna be shipped on the retail dvd? or we gonna have to wait 3-4 weeks to download it? :(

[The General]

Any word if the linux client is gonna be shipped on the retail dvd? or we gonna have to wait 3-4 weeks to download it? :(

I believe we had to wait 3 days (?) for Doom 3, and a week for Quake 4. I can't imagine it would be much longer than that. :)

[figvam]

I'd imagine it would be a few weeks between the game release and the appearance of Linux client. Also check out this post (http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showpost.php?p=63146&postcount=12) by TTimo.

[bMd]

I believe we had to wait 3 days (?) for Doom 3, and a week for Quake 4. I can't imagine it would be much longer than that. :) Felt like an eternity..... :dance: :dance: :dance: