Covert Ops: a deadly coup de théâtre

[18X]

Danger: the illiterate or ADHD-prone may not want to try reading all of this unless they want to hurt themselves.


Firstly, a quick definition: a "coup de théâtre" is a sudden dramatic turn of events (which will reverse or negate a prevailing situation). ETQW is all about completing the objectives to win the round, and Coverts/Infils can be objective killers (stopping the enemy from doing their obj) and saviors (stopping the enemy from undoing your obj) despite the fact that many people often neglect the objective when they play this class.


Yes, I know most people hate Coverts/Infils because, as we've all experienced ourselves after having played for a while, they're often quite useless members of the team (or they are less effective than they could be under a different class) and don't contribute much to taking/defending the obj. People usually play them because they're the 'kewl' class to pick. Every new kid on the block wants to fiddle around with the 1337 sniper rifle and h4xor the enemy's hardware, et cetera.


Today I just want to reiterate something that the more experienced players will already understand: hate the player, not the game. Why? Because the game actually intends the Covert/Infil class to be a devastating weapon to use against your enemy. But the player often uses it awfully. I believe that that's because it's perhaps the most difficult class to play with effectively.


Sure, some people think they're good because they play differently (i.e. they don't hill-hug like most) and believe that rushing to the objective with their Covert/Infil and using smoke grenades and their not-made-for-CQB weapon is a good contribution to the team, but I think there's something a lot more devastating that you could do to the enemy. Let me give you an example...


I was playing a pretty tense game of Outskirts earlier, and the enemy got to the Databrain part within a respectable amount of time, and were making good progress towards winning. In fact they would've won, twice, if it weren't for me. While our other Infiltrator was probably out on some roof sniping some careless enemies, I was playing the role of the objective killer. Twice I took out the carrier as he was transmitting the data (while all other teammates around me were dead). Once at the beginning of that part of the mission, and another in the last 30 seconds of the game. I had been patiently waiting in disguise for a full seven minutes before I got the data transmitter the second time.

Experienced players will spot someone in disguise either by seeing a name that doesn't fit in (because they saw the true person five seconds ago in a different place), or by noticing something wrong with your uniform. With that in mind, you have to stay fairly well out of sight, but close enough to the objective itself to upset it. If they don't see you shooting at the enemy when you should be (if you were one of them), you'll probably be dead meat, so take cover!

The first time, I hid behind the data console and rushed around as soon as the data was being transmitted. The second time, I was hiding in the middle of one of the stairwells as I thought they might check the first place the the next time they got there. Indeed they did check, and they even formed a two-man line behind the guy transmitting the data, but I managed to squeeze through. My rush of the room happened all too fast for them to stop me. They just didn't have enough time to realize what was about to happen AND react to the danger. I'm sure they did have a split second realization that the guy running into the room could be an Infiltrator, but by the time they thought about reacting (stopping me), I had already planted my knife into the back of transmitter's neck and had returned the databrain.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3296/shot00276sbv2.jpg


Now that's just an example on outskirts... you can do the same thing with the other objective types (bomb, hack, construct). For instance, on the next map, Area 22, I stopped the guy who was trying to defuse our bomb with a backstab, and then I stopped the next guy with a Flyer Drone (but first I hid underneath the platform as I lost my uniform by accident). Now that's objective saving. The disguised Covert/Infil can very often be the best chance your team has of completing the objective apart from the person actually doing it (and, inversely, your best chance of defending an obj too).


What this style of gameplay does require is two things:
1) patience
2) an understanding of covert operations (ex: you have stay covert, i.e. don't stand out in plain view, and never stay in the same place once you've attacked from there, etc)


Why the disguise?
1) You won't show up on the enemy's radar as an enemy (unless they pay attention to fireteams)
2) They react less quickly to seeing someone in their own uniform than seeing your true identity, so it allows you to get close enough to do the one-hit kill with the backstab before they know what's going on. If you come in guns blazing, then your chances are drastically reduced.


Unfortunately, it is not the most rewarding way of playing in terms of XP, because you could be sitting around the objective for a good five minutes before someone breaks through, kills all your teammates, and starts taking it. But the feeling you get when you spoil it for them... man, I think it definitely makes it worth it. It's rewarding in its own sense.


I believe this type of gameplay contributes a lot more than the other two ways of playing (being a shooter or hacking stuff). Soldiers and vehicles can deal with deployables, but they can't do what you're capable of. Note that I'm NOT saying that the other two ways of playing can't contribute to the team if the player is very good at it.


It's just that this tactic is simply devastating (you don't strike much -- unlike Coverts/Infils who play snipers --, but when you DO strike, you strike as hard as possible by stopping the enemy's objective). Just when the enemy thinks they've won... BAM, the Covert Ops delivers the deadly coup de théâtre. And I bet you thought this class could only contribute to the objective very passively... :dance:


I have never seen anyone else play this way, and it's a shame because I upset the other team and win 90% of the time using this tactic if the teams aren't completely stacked. So, Coverts, Infiltrators, in the future, you might want to try hiding in the shadows and wait for the moment to really prove your worth to the team.

[Ifurita]

nicely done. There are so many ways to play covert, it's nice to see a write up on one of them

[Scorge]

A single covert can protect an energy cell from everything but a full blown army.

They can protect the majority of objectives from most threats. They can prevent the enemy from advancing forward (for about as long as they have EMP grenades). They can disable most offensive weapons (hacking, EMPS) and many other useful talents.

These ability's stem from the specialized tools:


A tool to know exactly where the immediate threats to objective are (3rd eye, radar)
A tool to kill a threat in one shot at distance (sniper rifle)
A tool to kill a threat up close and silently (knife, silenced weapons)
A tool to kill several threats from around corners, up stairs, behind walls, when all else is lost (3rd eye "camera")


It all breaks down to... what was it... intelligence and patience.

[Abedeus]

I also like to wait in a room, for example at Area 22 in front of gate and when someone tries to plant a bomb... Blam, knife in the back.

Or one time 5 infiltrators at volcano tried to rush to the console. They all got there, started hacking... And I had my camera above them. *mouse1* *BOOM* *GOD DAMN YOU COVERT!!*

Remember - ALWAYS use 3rd eye camera to protect objectives or use drone to kill, for example, a soldier that is blocking passage with the GPMG or just for reckon, to check if it's safe for your team to advance.

[GorkerMorker]

Indeed, the covert ops is not about killing or doing lots of damage. It's about killing or damaging ESSENTIAL, or IMPORTANT targets. One hack, one backstab on the right spot at the right time can make or break a game.

However cool and effective it looks, simply sniping masses of enemies, backstabbing whole teams and hacking a whole deployable park aren't nearly as effective as doing the right thing at the right time.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Gorkermorker/gulp.png

[Naoki]

I've played this way before, but not on Outskirts as an Infiltrator. Usually I play Technician or Constructor at that phase of the map!

But I have, however, played an Infiltrator in maps like Area 22 or 52.. or whatever.. and Salvage and waited patiently for engineers to come up, backstab and drop grenades on the body of the person and bomb itself and run around in a seemingly crazed manner, but trying to put the objective itself between me and the immediate threats until the grenade is about to blow and I drop whatever grenades I have left near the bomb itself to do area denial for as long as possible, even resorting to the use of a flyer drone by abandoning the platform altogether. Although what I should do is plant a teleporter beacon somewhere where I can take distanced shots at the objective, though at that point, I've probably burnt all my stroyent to health. Doh.

Edit: Ahahaha Ohgod.

This was pretty silly and somewhat of a waste, but it was still entertaining to do. I stole someone's disguise on VOLCANO and floated around the GDF upper spawn, waiting for the guy I'd killed to rush out to 'get me' and then pretended I was camping for drones on the final catwalk with some other pair of dedicated soldiers.. and then backstabbed them when I heard drones coming.. Or whenever the one or two out of eight or so infiltrators actually said they were enroute. I did this since we didn't seem to be making much headway as the round seemingly drug on and on.

But yeah. This is an awesome thread and shows how coverts are played. There should be a heavy emphasis on changing your camping/"patrol" position as well, and trying to be aware of the name of the guy you stole your uniform from, too can help.

Because at the point of the map you describe, there's an enormous chance that simply NOT taking a certain set of peoples' names is the best option as their friends or they personally will hunt you down post-haste. Also, you can see the amount of safety you currently have should you run up with a group of people, trying to blend in, and spot your clone in the mob. lol

[GorkerMorker]

Yesterday on formido friday on the salvage map:

I was climbing the roof with my soldier, and suddenly I hear on the mic "I believe someone disguised as 'tokamak' is on the roof! Watch it!", and yes, there was another tokamak behind me who just was about to stab me, I dodged, more people joined and it resulted in one big confusion of two tokamaks and lots of players firing away at us.

Staying with your clone can actually be very effective.

[Naoki]

Staying with your clone can actually be very effective.

I suppose it depends on your goals. On one hand, you have a definite power of confusion, on the other hand, knowledgeable players will differentiate between the two quickly because the disguise only shows the AR or Lac, and special weapon selections make the two differ in appearance. Also, once they shoot the one with a red hit-detect. It's all over and you're forced to run or fight.

If I'm playing with twitchy players and someone has my name, for example, I'll run with a special weapon out and make it clear over VOIP that.. The soldier with the MP out is me. lol
Also, you can often see where all your friends and "friends" are by way of class waypoints from a distance, so I look for various soldiers and generally pick out the one furthest away to namecheck.. But yeah.. Not everyone does this and people still sometimes leave a disguise alert for us to discover with knives in our back. But maybe they're just getting smarter.

If I'm feeling patient enough as a BodySnatcher though, I'll gib someone, wait a while for them to respawn and THEN take their disguise. Less chance of a spy alert going up.

It depends yeah. It can definitely be confusing and if you do it repeatedly, on purpose, finding the guy you're imitating, end up burning a mental scar into their gameplay revolving around finding you. hahaha

[Lemiwinks]

How I play as a covert depends on the map and my team. usually, I use them as an intelligence gathering class. Making sure that a Radar is always out can be HUGE on indoor objectives like the last stage of Salvage. I also love the Silenced MP. Few people realize how good of a sneaky weapon it can be if you can land your shots.

I've also learned some neat sniper rifle tricks for close combat. They don't always work because I need to practice them, but they're pretty awesome tricks for sure.

Also, I love sniping, but I try to not snipe from a stationary position, or at least if I do I stay very close to the objective so I can move to it easily.

[DugDanger]

Yes i know this tactic, i now stand back to back with people hacking/transmitting, you cant back stab if someones looking you in the face.

[GorkerMorker]

If you did that to me you would delay the transmission by exactely one extra backstab ;)

For charges I do it the other way around. I'm going to stand around the charge so it's harder to disarm.

[18X]

Yes i know this tactic, i now stand back to back with people hacking/transmitting, you cant back stab if someones looking you in the face.

That's exactly what the enemy did in the scenario I described. Hence why they were mad. I have my ways of getting around anyone standing behind the person transmitting.

:infiltrator:

[CorReaper]

imo playing like this is a waste to the team, i bet my money that they wouldnt even have touched the console in the first place if the team had one more player actively on defence instead of someone sitting in the corner for half the map not doing anything.
a friendly that camps near the objective for so long while not beeing touched by the enemy just screams spy to any experienced player.

[GorkerMorker]

If you do it wrong yeah. Nobody said anything about camping. A good spy goes with the flow anyway. And stabbing the transmitter while he's transmitting and returning the brain/disc is a huge loss of time for the opponent team.

[Lemmiwinks]

Yes, a disguised infiltrator / cov ops can be truly deadly, but dont forget that a sniper actually CAN help his team if he has awesome aim. And believe it or not, but close quarter fighting with the railgun then switching to blaster spam is lethal in it's own right.

And also forget, DONT SPRINT TOO MUCH IN DISGUISE. I've lost count of how many disguised players I've killed cause I heard that heavy breathing thing when you sprint too much. And even the footsteps (Yes, GDF and Strogg have different footstep sounds).

Also, the best persons to take disguises from would be the ones who have already tapped out, it's not that good to take disguises from people who haven't tapped out yet, since they know you're taking their disguise.

:>

[a11an]

18X, nice story for the newbies! Coverts like me know it already.

* If a soldier plants a explosives then get a disguise and defend it.
* Place 3eye @ objectives if your radar gets constantly damaged. Place the cam somewhere safe. One nade and your cam is history. So don't put it where the nades fly.
* Use 3eye to blow up Hogs! It takes a little bit practice but if you get it it's really fun.
* Kill enemies waiting for a Technician with your hack/disguise tool. One touch and they are gone. It can also be confusing. They think that you get the disguise but you don't.
* If your team holds the objective for sure. Then you can go and play your little own game. Hacking and sniping or whatever you do out there. But if your team is in trouble then stay near the objective. The silenced MP is a very powerful close combat weapon or do some stabbing - take out Technicians first. Use VOIP when in disguise so you can be the spy behind enemy lines.
* And change class when you feel useless or you have 3 other coverts in your team.
* Use sniper rifle when you hit someone with it. Most of the time I hear someone sniping like this: Bang, bang, bang, bang , bang, bang, bang - reload, bang bang - but I can't really see that someone gets killed. And the sniper rifle can be used as a close combat weapon, but first you have to practice from a distance.

[Gismo]

Well written. This type of gameplay is not rewarded enough by the XP system and that's the (sad) reason why this is seen so rarely.

I play this style sometimes, however I don't have the patience to wait somewhere for more than a minute. Most of the times I try to get behind enemy lines and to approach the braincarrier earlier. You still hurt them (not so hart as when they are close to winning) but in a higher frequency.

[BC72]

I have never seen anyone else play this way, and it's a shame because I upset the other team and win 90% of the time using this tactic if the teams aren't completely stacked. So, Coverts, Infiltrators, in the future, you might want to try hiding in the shadows and wait for the moment to really prove your worth to the team.

Heh it's nice tactic I must admit and I love to do it IF I don't see anything else to do for Infiltrator/Covert Ops. My favourite is laying prone in transmiter chamber on Island and pretending dead. GDF usually get pi... nervous.

Of course it has some drawbacks, namely nades everybody throws on objective nowadays for a good reason. And one have to be creative with new camping spots.

But generaly this class have great potential and gives enormous satisfaction, you know, like drone killing engies trying or rushing to disarm plasma charge on Salvage in last seconds.

People be creative with this class its worth it!

[Sky Pilot]

GorkerMorker, that is the best screenshot EVER.

EDIT: Unless you were the GDF dude...

[Rapier]

The only downside is that friends in your buddy list appear blue when they play against you as a covert or infil.

I killed my brother several times while he was wearing a disguise. Gives hunting a new perspective tho.

Also on a sidenote, when playing with him I can easily spot disguised enemies when they took his body as that players colour will remain green instead of blue which makes it all to obvious that that player isnt my brother and thus an enemy. Maybe SD needs to rethink this buddy blue colour and remove it.

[BC72]

The only downside is that friends in your buddy list appear blue when they play against you as a covert or infil.

Good one. Never knew that. Worth to know ;)

[18X]

GorkerMorker, that is the best screenshot EVER.

EDIT: Unless you were the GDF dude...

Here's a first person perspective I got earlier (by accident too, hehe).

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1162/backstabscd3.png

And full screen/full size:

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1716/backstabul3.th.png (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backstabul3.png)

[Narishma]

You should get more XP for backstabbing than ordinary kills, and even more XP for backstabbing someone who's completing an objective.

[Porkins_6]

Gork, that first pic was a screenshot?!? I thought it was a photoshop you did. It looks awesome! What kind of hardware and resolution are you running?

My machine is a few years old, my GPU is an Nvidia 6200 I think, so I run 1024x768 with low/medium quality settings.

[Narishma]

6200 is very poor for gaming. I'm even surprised you can play on it at all since I had problems with doom 3 when I had one.

[Porkins_6]

Not totally sure which model I have, I know it's a 6000 series, but I just don't remember which. Maybe it's a 6600. :confused: I'll have to check tonight.

[18X]

Gork, that first pic was a screenshot?!? I thought it was a photoshop you did. It looks awesome! What kind of hardware and resolution are you running?

My machine is a few years old, my GPU is an Nvidia 6200 I think, so I run 1024x768 with low/medium quality settings.

Some parts of it have been edited.

[BC72]

@ 18X
...like there was no charge on the slipgate yet, actually engie didn't get there by the time the ss was taken and strogg was rather standing at the spawn point ;)

[18X]

No, I mean there was post-processing applied to make it look better. Like what game developers do when they release 'screenshots' of their game, and when the game actually comes out it doesn't look that good.

[Lemonhead]

Just like CorReaper said, it's seven minutes wasted and rightly so you were not awarded much XP. You should've helped your teammates to defend the Telecom building, getting behind enemy lines to disable important deployables or slowing them down sniping.

Moreover, your're so proud of yourself but it's not really difficult to get behind an unsuspecting carrier and backstab him what was probably a suicide mission. The true skill is to do useful things all the time and still have sufficient battlesense to provide the crucial blow when it's needed.

[GENETX]

Covops is great indeed. Still I don't play that class enough, it's my 2nd after my "Striker*" class.

*)Engineer/Soldier/Covops to finish the main objective.

In W:ET Ive managed it once to get in the bank as Allied on goldrush. Crowded with 3-4 Axis there and really just was there for 10 minutes when I was bored, really thos Axis were dumb, even giving me ammo and health :dance:

Lately I had one of these moments on Outskirts. I was GDF covertops in the telecom building. No defence (or only 1) on strogg side. So I defended the telecom building on my own in a uniform.

Using VOIP I gave my team all info about opponents in the building and the mines. When the moment was there, I cleared out the mines, my teammate started transmitting and I was defending him.

Great teamwork that is. Covertops should be one of my best classes. In W:ET I really had patience as well. Sometimes playing covert on fueldump. But also as Engineer in W:ET where I mixed it up with some covertops skills. The key there was to get invisible by hiding and using the chat and map to contact your players and wait for the right moment to strike.

You can wait long sometimes as mentioned, but yeah, Ive experienced as Covertops or Engineer in both ET as ETQW these moments where the waiting turns out into a victory. Nothing is better to stab the enemy in the back, wheter you use the knife or a dynamite ;)

[Seatsniffer]

Just read the whole thread again, and I think there is room for 1 more tip.

Note: THE most important skill for a Infiltr/CovOps, is know how to behave like one of them...it's a thin line, but the confusion your spread, often protects you.

One of the 1st things I do - after going in disguise - is to call out all enemy deployables I can see ("enemy radar spotted!"..."enemy artillery interceptor turret spotted!", etc.).
Being in disguise is often the only way to get far enough behind enemy-lines, to be able to detect all deployables.
Spotting radar is the 1st thing you do, and after that one I think the anti-artillery turret is most important.
Call it out, for your teammembers to destroy it ASAP, because if we manage to deliver bombardements, we have a great advantage.:oppressor:
...plus any active MG-nests, mines, and vehicles. Call them out, won't harm.

What I do next - eventually drop my disguise...or wait with that, and stay undercover? - depends on how my team reacts.
If they take action, and a couple of them focus on destroying the targets I pinpointed, then I stay in disguise, and prepare to knife anyone trying to repair the stuff again.
If no-one of my team shows up, or the enemy is simply to strong, then there's nothing keeping me in disguise anymore.
So...wait for their next respawn-wave (wait next to the 1st target you want to hack), and after they ran off, loose disguise, and hack that radar! DON'T destroy it just yet (with your 2nd hack)...it costs to much time for now.
Hack radar, run to next targets, double-hack those, and now go back to radar to do the 2nd hack on it...this buys you most radar-free time.:infiltrator:

Scrambler- or EMP-grenades are just for emergencies...they're to noisy, imo, because your character always wants to scream when you throw one.:(
But sometimes, I need one, because I can't reach their radar otherwise.
Or when I need to disable a mine first.
But in general, I find they have better use against tanks.

A infiltrator, "armed" with SilentFootsteps, can be a very annoying factor in a battle.
Had this a few days ago, on Volcano, where I kept 2-3 guys busy all the time, as they were trying to deploy Hammers and Artillery-guns.
They have been knifed, backstabbed, shot in the head from the back, flyer-drone'd, used as disguise, the entire pool of infiltrator-terror....all the time! LOL.:p
They couldn't fire a single projectile, and most of all, their defence elsewhere was weakened because of this.
When I had to hide a little, I turned to their radar for the time being.
No wonder, the class can irritate so much. HAHA.:D


A team is only as good as it's weakest member...don't let it be an infiltrator!

STROGG

[Nogen]

One comment is that instead of sitting for 7 minutes in disguise waiting you could have been doing something more useful and preventing the opposition from ever getting near the objective. I'd rather that than relying on a lotto chance that someone doesn't notice your disguise.

Same sort of argument as people who put the majority of mines right next to the objective rather than on the paths to the objective.

By deploying resources with the intention on stopping the enemy right on top of the objective, you pretty much guarantee that it will come down to that. While it might give you a good adrenaline rush to be saving your team right at the last moment its not the most efficient way to operate. Its like pushing someone standing at the edge of the cliff and then grabbing their shirt at the last second and yanking them backwards to safety. "Tell your mum I saved ya" they used to say. Thank god noone ever actually fell...but I digress.

Still you need a couple of coverts for radar during most objectives so I suppose they have to be doing something. I'd rather them in the mix with the SAR, ALac etc.

[browniee]

I like how you brag about knife back stabs. There really easily to do.:rolleyes: Why don't you try to be an engi and stand in front of them and stab them to death.

Do it, com back to me and i will still not be impressed.

[18X]

Just like CorReaper said, it's seven minutes wasted and rightly so you were not awarded much XP. You should've helped your teammates to defend the Telecom building, getting behind enemy lines to disable important deployables or slowing them down sniping.

Be quiet. You clearly don't know what you're talking about as you've never been there with me, so when you have nothing intelligent to say, don't say anything. Time wasted, huh? Yeah, I guess the two or three times I save my team each time I use this tactic is "time wasted". Riiight!

Moreover, your're so proud of yourself but it's not really difficult to get behind an unsuspecting carrier and backstab him what was probably a suicide mission. The true skill is to do useful things all the time and still have sufficient battlesense to provide the crucial blow when it's needed.

I'm proud of myself? Thanks for telling me! I didn't know! Sounds more like you're frustrated. Got rage because you got backstabbed one too many times? Yep. Sounds like it.

[18X]

One comment is that instead of sitting for 7 minutes in disguise waiting you could have been doing something more useful and preventing the opposition from ever getting near the objective. I'd rather that than relying on a lotto chance that someone doesn't notice your disguise.

Same sort of argument as people who put the majority of mines right next to the objective rather than on the paths to the objective.

By deploying resources with the intention on stopping the enemy right on top of the objective, you pretty much guarantee that it will come down to that. While it might give you a good adrenaline rush to be saving your team right at the last moment its not the most efficient way to operate. Its like pushing someone standing at the edge of the cliff and then grabbing their shirt at the last second and yanking them backwards to safety. "Tell your mum I saved ya" they used to say. Thank god noone ever actually fell...but I digress.

Still you need a couple of coverts for radar during most objectives so I suppose they have to be doing something. I'd rather them in the mix with the SAR, ALac etc.

Well, first of all, I mostly only do this tactic when we get steamrolled. Meaning that one more player isn't going to change much when there are only two people defending the transmitting room and they get wasted by six decent GDF players. At least that way, even if they waste the only two guys who are there, I can backstab and stop them despite their numerical advantage. When the teams aren't uneven, I move around and backstab people in over areas, like where the Databrain is kept.

And, yes, I manage, I'd honestly say, 95% of the time. The skill doesn't come from the backstab, but from not getting noticed and blending in. That's the difference between a dead Infiltrator and, well, a living one which can deliver the coup de théâtre when it's needed.

[18X]

I like how you brag about knife back stabs. There really easily to do.:rolleyes: Why don't you try to be an engi and stand in front of them and stab them to death.

Do it, com back to me and i will still not be impressed.

Another victim of backstab rage, ladies and gentlemen! They're so frustrated they think we Infiltrators who actually do our job think we're bragging about it. LOL. Nah, we're just glad we can screw the other team over.

If backstabbing lacks skill, well, that doesn't say much about the people who didn't see it coming!

:D

Oh yeah, anyone can backstab. Just as anyone can fire a rocket launcher or cut down loads of enemies with a Hyperblaster or GPMG. The thing is, it takes actual skill to do it better than the average guy. The skill is in mastering the tactic, not using it once or twice. I can safely say that I've saved my team from losing, at least once, each time I've used this tactic (which I don't always use). Once I stopped the other team a handful of times even though they got to that objective in five minutes. They were killing all the poor whitename Stroggies, but I screwed over those GDF multiple times during those fifteen or so minutes, and I made sure that we survived long enough to eventually win.

So, you know, go cry me a river. I don't care about people who've got backstab rage. We've all got our different tactics, so shut up and adapt instead of whining. Or else I'll keep screwing over GDF with that knife until they love me... or until they rage-quit and go cry about it on a forum.

[cLuCk_yEW]

I think playing covert ops/infiltrator requires the player to know his resources. Instead of shooting an enemy, use the flier drone. Instead of camping your forward spawn, use a 3rd eye. Instead of rushing blindly into the shield generator, pop smoke to provide cover. Use the teleporter to get to hard to reach/unsuspecting places, etc. Many times players aren't aware of these versatile tools, or don't know how to use them, and render themselves almost useless to their team.

I see this most frequently on Volcano, where infiltrators simply rush into the security room with accurized lasers and are quickly killed.

The EMP/scrambler nade is also an invaluable tool. So many times I see players shoot in vain at tanks/cyclops with rifles when a emp/scrambler would disable the vehicle and allow it to be hit with an strike, or rocket launchers.

[GENETX]

So, you know, go cry me a river. I don't care about people who've got backstab rage. We've all got our different tactics, so shut up and adapt instead of whining. Or else I'll keep screwing over GDF with that knife until they love me... or until they rage-quit and go cry about it on a forum.

Well said! It's how ETQW works. Everybody has it's own strong and weak points in a class and they have all different tactics. That makes all player unique and so you will face another enemy every day, which requires you to change your tactic to get your enemy down.

[Lemonhead]

Be quiet. You clearly don't know what you're talking about as you've never been there with me, so when you have nothing intelligent to say, don't say anything. Time wasted, huh? Yeah, I guess the two or three times I save my team each time I use this tactic is "time wasted". Riiight!

I'm proud of myself? Thanks for telling me! I didn't know! Sounds more like you're frustrated. Got rage because you got backstabbed one too many times? Yep. Sounds like it.

First of all, after more than 600 hrs of gameplay I think I might have a slight idea of what the Quake Wars battlefield is about. I didn't really have to be there to know what happened. As you told everyone you spent at least 35% of your game time doing nothing - a fact which despite all your superior intelligence you somehow failed to discuss in your eloquent response. Also, despite being such a smart chap, you failed to recognize my acknowledgement of the importance of those "two or three backstabs".

I've come across some special players, whose names I won't put up as they already receive enough online fellatio from players hoping to become their buddies. They are usually fun- and teamplay-oriented people who don't go around forums bragging about their achievements. The few of them who upload demos or tutorials actually have something to show off -entertainment, skill, pace, awareness, intelligence, flair. You have come to the forum to boast seven minutes of doing nothing and three instances of regulal class skill use. Moreover, you have been arrogant enough to claim you've mastered the skill while responding to Browniee - some master you are with 73 backstabs in total and a maximum of 4 in a single life. This is pride in my book.

I have backstabbed and been backstabbed in crucial moments but always treated it as another day at the office. Pretty childish of you to think that my post was about rage against backstabbers. I'm mentally stable enough to treat it as a regular part of the game and not to get emotionally engaged with an aspect of a computer game. Has it ever crossed your mind it's just about my dislike for weak personalities, who have to look for appreciation on Internet forums and for morons who think that three backstabs make them special?

[18X]

I didn't really have to be there to know what happened. As you told everyone you spent at least 35% of your game time doing nothing

Nothing? I made sure that our single radar was up during the whole time, and I was helping coordinate the defense through VOIP because I had the time and security to keep the radar menu fully open unlike the other guys who were in battles. If you think that you've learned everything in the game because you've played for 600 hours, then obviously you haven't if you think that constant fighting is the only way to defend. That's how it works in real life: you have guys doing the fighting, and you have guys doing the coordinating. I did my share of the fighting up until that objective, and then I started to put all my energy into coordinating the other guys, because I realized that our team was going to need that. No, coordinating and fighting at the same time isn't the same. You can't concentrate on two very important things at the same time.

I would like to see anyone have their full map up (keeping a constant eye on it), fight and win a battle at the same time, all while telling the other guys where the enemy is coming from, how many of them, etc. Multitasking is nearly never as effective as putting all your concentration into one task, and sometimes you can be more effective at doing one task (if it's heavily needed) than being a Jack Of All Trades. In the case I described, I judged that I would've been more help to the team by coordinating them and doing a few backstabs at crucial moments rather than just fighting the enemy with my weapons. And I was, because there were times where we would've lost even if I had been in the fight.

You have come to the forum to boast seven minutes of doing nothing and three instances of regulal class skill use.

I'm sorry, I can't understand you with all that foam spouting from your mouth. It seems that Backstab Rage© has impaired your cognitive abilities, as you are still deluded into thinking that I've been bragging about anything.

In fact, in lakersforce's (http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24411) thread, I clearly said it was nothing special because I've done it many times. You, in your rage, followed the link so that you could rant about it here, too.

What I did do was write over 1,100 words to briefly describe this tactic and posted it in Tips, Tricks & Strategies. If I were bragging, I would've written 11 words and posted it in the general forum: "Hey guys, I backstabbed a few people while they were transmitting!". Sit down.

Moreover, you have been arrogant enough to claim you've mastered the skill while responding to Browniee - some master you are with 73 backstabs in total and a maximum of 4 in a single life.

Thanks! You've debunked yourself as a stat nub. FYI, I play a lot on unranked servers. It's where I mostly muck about with stuff like this. And more food for thought: I only run around in disguise to backstab people during such objectives. So those 77 kills (not even counting Spike kills) were all done on objectives. That's the amount of times I've saved my team from defeat... only counting ranked servers. So get your head out of your ass and stop thinking that you can judge players by going and having a look at their stats page. 600 hours and you haven't figured that out, tut, tut.

Pretty childish of you to think that my post was about rage against backstabbers.

Nah, you see I've spotted recursive behavior in you, which is why I called you out. This isn't the first time you thought people were "bragging" when talking about backstabbing.

http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24411

It looks like you're so frustrated about it that every time someone mentions it, you think they're bragging. Stop being paranoid. Some people like to discuss the fun moments they've had in the game, others like to share their tips. That doesn't mean they're bragging about it. So we really couldn't give a crap that you don't think it's impressive. I don't think shooting a gun is that impressive either. Everyone does that, including me. So I like to break away from the norm and try something different from time to time.

I'm mentally stable enough

That's what all people with problems think. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

to treat it as a regular part of the game and not to get emotionally engaged with an aspect of a computer game. Has it ever crossed your mind it's just about my dislike for weak personalities, who have to look for appreciation on Internet forums and for morons who think that three backstabs make them special?

Has it ever occurred to you that you're paranoid or heavily jealous? Because it certainly looks that way. You're the only one who thought I was bragging about it, and it's not the first time you thought someone talking about backstabs was bragging. Take your pills. I'm not sure who pissed in your cereal, but you really need to stop ruining threads with your negative attitude. If you take pleasure out of trolling, then you do have problems.

[Porkins_6]

Hmmm...I thought this thread had some pretty interesting ideas. It seems like it's been revived in the last few days only to take a turn for the worse.

[Lemonhead]

Nothing? I made sure that our single radar was up during the whole time, and I was helping coordinate the defense through VOIP because I had the time and security to keep the radar menu fully open unlike the other guys who were in battles. If you think that you've learned everything in the game because you've played for 600 hours, then obviously you haven't if you think that constant fighting is the only way to defend. That's how it works in real life: you have guys doing the fighting, and you have guys doing the coordinating. I did my share of the fighting up until that objective, and then I started to put all my energy into coordinating the other guys, because I realized that our team was going to need that. No, coordinating and fighting at the same time isn't the same. You can't concentrate on two very important things at the same time.

I would like to see anyone have their full map up (keeping a constant eye on it), fight and win a battle at the same time, all while telling the other guys where the enemy is coming from, how many of them, etc. Multitasking is nearly never as effective as putting all your concentration into one task, and sometimes you can be more effective at doing one task (if it's heavily needed) than being a Jack Of All Trades. In the case I described, I judged that I would've been more help to the team by coordinating them and doing a few backstabs at crucial moments rather than just fighting the enemy with my weapons. And I was, because there were times where we would've lost even if I had been in the fight.

Well, that's a good piece of material. You do have a point and even though I still feel your team would be better off with you doing some typical infiltrator job, I can't be sure.

I'm sorry, I can't understand you with all that foam spouting from your mouth. It seems that Backstab Rage© has impaired your cognitive abilities, as you are still deluded into thinking that I've been bragging about anything.

In fact, in lakersforce's (http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24411) thread, I clearly said it was nothing special because I've done it many times. You, in your rage, followed the link so that you could rant about it here, too..

What I did do was write over 1,100 words to briefly describe this tactic and posted it in Tips, Tricks & Strategies. If I were bragging, I would've written 11 words and posted it in the general forum: "Hey guys, I backstabbed a few people while they were transmitting!". Sit down.

Nah, you see I've spotted recursive behavior in you, which is why I called you out. This isn't the first time you thought people were "bragging" when talking about backstabbing.

It looks like you're so frustrated about it that every time someone mentions it, you think they're bragging. Stop being paranoid. Some people like to discuss the fun moments they've had in the game, others like to share their tips. That doesn't mean they're bragging about it. So we really couldn't give a crap that you don't think it's impressive. I don't think shooting a gun is that impressive either. Everyone does that, including me. So I like to break away from the norm and try something different from time to time.

Oh crap. Giving it a second thought and looking at what you've written above I must say I've written a decent amount of bs. I think, however, it's more of me hating all those kids and mistaking you for one of them rather then Backstab Rage. I acted on prejudice, my bad.

Thanks! You've debunked yourself as a stat nub. FYI, I play a lot on unranked servers. It's where I mostly muck about with stuff like this. And more food for thought: I only run around in disguise to backstab people during such objectives. So those 77 kills (not even counting Spike kills) were all done on objectives. That's the amount of times I've saved my team from defeat... only counting ranked servers. So get your head out of your ass and stop thinking that you can judge players by going and having a look at their stats page. 600 hours and you haven't figured that out, tut, tut.

Nah, I've written nonsense but I'm not a stat whore. Take my word.

Has it ever occurred to you that you're paranoid or heavily jealous? Because it certainly looks that way. You're the only one who thought I was bragging about it, and it's not the first time you thought someone talking about backstabs was bragging. Take your pills. I'm not sure who pissed in your cereal, but you really need to stop ruining threads with your negative attitude. If you take pleasure out of trolling, then you do have problems.

Well, I guess you're right. A good read, food for thought. Thanks.

[Senethro]

Another victim of backstab rage, ladies and gentlemen! They're so frustrated they think we Infiltrators who actually do our job think we're bragging about it. LOL. Nah, we're just glad we can screw the other team over.

If backstabbing lacks skill, well, that doesn't say much about the people who didn't see it coming!

:D

Oh yeah, anyone can backstab. Just as anyone can fire a rocket launcher or cut down loads of enemies with a Hyperblaster or GPMG. The thing is, it takes actual skill to do it better than the average guy. The skill is in mastering the tactic, not using it once or twice. I can safely say that I've saved my team from losing, at least once, each time I've used this tactic (which I don't always use). Once I stopped the other team a handful of times even though they got to that objective in five minutes. They were killing all the poor whitename Stroggies, but I screwed over those GDF multiple times during those fifteen or so minutes, and I made sure that we survived long enough to eventually win.

So, you know, go cry me a river. I don't care about people who've got backstab rage. We've all got our different tactics, so shut up and adapt instead of whining. Or else I'll keep screwing over GDF with that knife until they love me... or until they rage-quit and go cry about it on a forum.

First of all, after more than 600 hrs of gameplay I think I might have a slight idea of what the Quake Wars battlefield is about. I didn't really have to be there to know what happened. As you told everyone you spent at least 35% of your game time doing nothing - a fact which despite all your superior intelligence you somehow failed to discuss in your eloquent response. Also, despite being such a smart chap, you failed to recognize my acknowledgement of the importance of those "two or three backstabs".

I've come across some special players, whose names I won't put up as they already receive enough online fellatio from players hoping to become their buddies. They are usually fun- and teamplay-oriented people who don't go around forums bragging about their achievements. The few of them who upload demos or tutorials actually have something to show off -entertainment, skill, pace, awareness, intelligence, flair. You have come to the forum to boast seven minutes of doing nothing and three instances of regulal class skill use. Moreover, you have been arrogant enough to claim you've mastered the skill while responding to Browniee - some master you are with 73 backstabs in total and a maximum of 4 in a single life. This is pride in my book.

I have backstabbed and been backstabbed in crucial moments but always treated it as another day at the office. Pretty childish of you to think that my post was about rage against backstabbers. I'm mentally stable enough to treat it as a regular part of the game and not to get emotionally engaged with an aspect of a computer game. Has it ever crossed your mind it's just about my dislike for weak personalities, who have to look for appreciation on Internet forums and for morons who think that three backstabs make them special?

Nothing? I made sure that our single radar was up during the whole time, and I was helping coordinate the defense through VOIP because I had the time and security to keep the radar menu fully open unlike the other guys who were in battles. If you think that you've learned everything in the game because you've played for 600 hours, then obviously you haven't if you think that constant fighting is the only way to defend. That's how it works in real life: you have guys doing the fighting, and you have guys doing the coordinating. I did my share of the fighting up until that objective, and then I started to put all my energy into coordinating the other guys, because I realized that our team was going to need that. No, coordinating and fighting at the same time isn't the same. You can't concentrate on two very important things at the same time.

I would like to see anyone have their full map up (keeping a constant eye on it), fight and win a battle at the same time, all while telling the other guys where the enemy is coming from, how many of them, etc. Multitasking is nearly never as effective as putting all your concentration into one task, and sometimes you can be more effective at doing one task (if it's heavily needed) than being a Jack Of All Trades. In the case I described, I judged that I would've been more help to the team by coordinating them and doing a few backstabs at crucial moments rather than just fighting the enemy with my weapons. And I was, because there were times where we would've lost even if I had been in the fight.



I'm sorry, I can't understand you with all that foam spouting from your mouth. It seems that Backstab Rage© has impaired your cognitive abilities, as you are still deluded into thinking that I've been bragging about anything.

In fact, in lakersforce's (http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24411) thread, I clearly said it was nothing special because I've done it many times. You, in your rage, followed the link so that you could rant about it here, too.

What I did do was write over 1,100 words to briefly describe this tactic and posted it in Tips, Tricks & Strategies. If I were bragging, I would've written 11 words and posted it in the general forum: "Hey guys, I backstabbed a few people while they were transmitting!". Sit down.



Thanks! You've debunked yourself as a stat nub. FYI, I play a lot on unranked servers. It's where I mostly muck about with stuff like this. And more food for thought: I only run around in disguise to backstab people during such objectives. So those 77 kills (not even counting Spike kills) were all done on objectives. That's the amount of times I've saved my team from defeat... only counting ranked servers. So get your head out of your ass and stop thinking that you can judge players by going and having a look at their stats page. 600 hours and you haven't figured that out, tut, tut.



Nah, you see I've spotted recursive behavior in you, which is why I called you out. This isn't the first time you thought people were "bragging" when talking about backstabbing.

http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24411

It looks like you're so frustrated about it that every time someone mentions it, you think they're bragging. Stop being paranoid. Some people like to discuss the fun moments they've had in the game, others like to share their tips. That doesn't mean they're bragging about it. So we really couldn't give a crap that you don't think it's impressive. I don't think shooting a gun is that impressive either. Everyone does that, including me. So I like to break away from the norm and try something different from time to time.



That's what all people with problems think. Denial is not a river in Egypt.



Has it ever occurred to you that you're paranoid or heavily jealous? Because it certainly looks that way. You're the only one who thought I was bragging about it, and it's not the first time you thought someone talking about backstabs was bragging. Take your pills. I'm not sure who pissed in your cereal, but you really need to stop ruining threads with your negative attitude. If you take pleasure out of trolling, then you do have problems.

Well, that's a good piece of material. You do have a point and even though I still feel your team would be better off with you doing some typical infiltrator job, I can't be sure.



Oh crap. Giving it a second thought and looking at what you've written above I must say I've written a decent amount of bs. I think, however, it's more of me hating all those kids and mistaking you for one of them rather then Backstab Rage. I acted on prejudice, my bad.



Nah, I've written nonsense but I'm not a stat whore. Take my word.



Well, I guess you're right. A good read, food for thought. Thanks.


I agree with all these posts.

[a11an]

So those 77 kills (not even counting Spike kills) were all done on objectives. That's the amount of times I've saved my team from defeat... only counting ranked servers

So you are saying that all of your backstabs saved your team and you have done no "regular" stabs. Well then I'm Jack Norris and btw your stats page tells me that you have made 55 backstabs in ranked servers. :rolleyes:

No offence. I like your Thread and It's a good tactic. Just the 77 saving stabs looks a little ... a whatever. Hope to see you in action m8.

[18X]

Well, Lemonhead, I must say that I'm surprised you changed your mind. It takes some guts to apologize, so I too apologize for being a little snappy. I'm sure you're a good guy.

a11an. Yes, that's the amount of times (give or take, of course) I've killed someone doing an objective. I just don't play in disguise a lot when I'm Covert Ops/Infil, so I don't backstab people normally. I'm either sniping, or on the front line, using smoke or disabling stuff (I usually only switch to the objective-backstab tactic when we're badly losing on defense, or when we're at the last objective, which is where I think backstabbing is more important than doing support such as sniping or disabling). I only take a disguise when I want to backstab someone planting, defusing, or transmitting data. In that case, I think I can safely guess that most of those backstabs were done at critical moments (and of which most were done on "Transmit" objectives).

I'm not sure where you got the "55" number from? My stats page says 79 Knife and 94 Spike kills. That's only counting ranked servers, of course (and even then, those are sometimes unreliable (http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24465)). Don't get me wrong, I'm not bragging about having "saved" the team that many times. I'm just saying that despite that they are few in number, they were all very important. By saying that, I'm not trying to brag; just giving my opinion that objective backstabs are some of the most important, so that more people use the tactic (when applicable -- i.e. if your team needs you elsewhere, then don't use that tactic).

[GorkerMorker]

http://www.vimeo.com/802407

[a11an]

http://stats.enemyterritory.com/profile/18X?page=classes <- 55 backstabs!

[Porkins_6]

Well, Lemonhead, I must say that I'm surprised you changed your mind. It takes some guts to apologize, so I too apologize for being a little snappy. I'm sure you're a good guy.


LOL, do you just not see blatant sarcasm?

[18X]

http://stats.enemyterritory.com/profile/18X?page=classes <- 55 backstabs!

Those stats are messed up. 79 + 94 = 173. 173 - 55 = 118. I certainly haven't killed 118 people with normal knife/spike kills. The only time I used the knife/spikes is for backstabbing or to run faster if I have a heavy weapon or something. 118 is way too high for someone who doesn't use the knife as a normal weapon. My only guess is that some kills don't get registered as "backstabs". I think this is because in the past I used the "F" key to make them, but now I just switch the knife manually when I stab someone. Maybe that has something to do with it? Because seriously, there is no way I've killed 118 people with knives and spikes combined. I'm not the kind of guy who thinks he's 1337 because he kills people with a knife. So, seriously, that's too crazy to be possible in my case. :O

LOL, do you just not see blatant sarcasm?

If that was sarcasm, then it was pretty stupid and not blatant (considering my replies made perfect sense). I hope it wasn't sarcasm, but if it was, well, sarcasm is the last refuge for the weak when they have no arguments left. I love sarcasm, just not when it's used to dodge points when you're stuck in a corner.

[Porkins_6]

Well, he agreed with you that he was paranoid and jealous and that somebody pissed in his cereal...sounds like sarcasm to me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to flame you or anything. As I said before, I think your idea is an interesting way to play the game. Certainly not something to do all the time, but it could have its useful moments. Lots of people need to chill and let everybody play the game how they want to, and not tell them how they should play it. Disagreeing with your idea is one thing, but people saying, "you're stupid don't do that" isn't very constructive. IMO it's best to ignore those comments rather than trying to rebut them.