Ark.covertops.mission2

[Crime-Master]

there is something that a found some time ago..i dont know if you know it, but there are several sniping positions in the second mission when you try to defend the mining laser

here is one that covers one side of the mining laser!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMcENnFbUns&feature=channel_page

the second sniping position is behind the bridge on the left side of the mining laser (the second face of the mining laser)

The third sniping position can be behind the mining laser (at a spot across the river)..i never used it, but i know people who did.


3 or 2 snipers are useful to have if you are in a large team and the strog attack is quite intense

[Aristotle]

there is something that a found some time ago..i dont know if you know it, but there are several sniping positions in the second mission when you try to defend the mining laser

here is one that covers one side of the mining laser!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMcENnFbUns&feature=channel_page

the second sniping position is behind the bridge on the left side of the mining laser (the second face of the mining laser)

The third sniping position can be behind the mining laser (at a spot across the river)..i never used it, but i know people who did.


3 or 2 snipers are useful to have if you are in a large team and the strog attack is quite intense


I would rather have medics guarding it than snipers.

Aslo some things about the video.

1. You have one side of the laser in visual range, even with the third eye you really only have one section of the laser that you can see. Players will throw grenades at the laser to clear mines, which will in effect destroy your third eye, rendering it useless.

2. The smoke you threw didn't cover your position at all.

3. It's a silenced machine gun, not a minigun, there is a huge difference between the two.

Like I said, medics or engineers would be a better class to be at that objective, for AVT/APT/AIT, crates, mines (not placed on the laser specifically). Three players sniping at that stage is really a waste of players, while yes one may be effective if they are any good (A lot of pub snipers aren't that great in my experience) they would still be better off playing Medics giving their team a passive +5hp bonus.

Again, play real players and not bots when showing things like this?

[Crime-Master]

it doesnt matter if they are bots or real players..if you hide under that hut,, you are not likely to be noticed.

the problem with that mission is that you cant spread through the map efficiently (the way you can do in the last objective, for example).. if you have a team of 12, it is okay for 3 to be snipers.. if you have less, you can choose one sniping position,,the rest hide behind the hut (that faces to GDF'a base ) and cover the other side that isnt in the video.. that sniping position that is in the video could be used as an emergency (if everyone else are dead).. if there are many enemies (the attack is intense) and there is someone hacking on the other side of the mining laser, you will be able to deploy the smoke and reduce your chances of getting killed. Alternatively, if you become noticed somehow, you will be able to deploy the smoke and crawl out.

third eye is also good to use, to throw onto the side of the fence and blow it when an enemy approaces (note: that the route from where the strogs most likely to travel, is just near you on the side).

what i also find useful, is choosing an engie and bringing a vehicle to inside of the curve area in front of the mining laser. you can quickly jump out of the vehicle and fix it without getting hurt so easily and you also have an area where you can deploy your turrets. A medic is also useful to deploy a supply crate and throw grenades at the mining laser when an enemy approaches (i saw it being used, the technique requires patience but is devastating). the rest of the team can fortify some key positions and use more vehicles against strogs vehicles.

[Random Generator]

Well actually real players will notice you, just not from first time, cos:
1) You are heard, when firing, I used to locate sniper positions based on gunshots.
2) The player you kill has his camera locked on you for a few secs.
3) they look at the radar. And see you :)

Besides that, the smoke only gives away where you were and won't block the sight of enemy completely, and if server has red arrows enabled they don't even have to leave the cloud to shoot you.
And throwing grenades at the laser? Why, what's wrong with shooting? Faster and easier.


I agree the spot is good, but a better one is on GDF side of river behind the laser. 3 reasons:
1) it allows you to cover both sides of laser.
2) less chance of strogg players there.
3) the constructor usualy runs back-forward to avoid being shot. From your spot he'll be running perpendicular to you, meaning you're more likely to miss. From behind, where I said, he'll be running partallel to you, meaning you only need to adjust for head :)

I'd say your spot will be more useful for strogg than GDF :D

[Seraphic_Mercenary]

And throwing grenades at the laser? Why, what's wrong with shooting? Faster and easier.


grenades < shooting < cooked grenades

[Teopeo]

A silenced Minigun... *drool* :D

There's no reason to use a Sniper rifle at this distance (Yes I take that thing indoors too, still). If you go Cov Ops, at least hide in a place where you survive when their Oppressors strike.

[whiteaden]

A silenced Minigun... *drool* :D

There's no reason to use a Sniper rifle at this distance (Yes I take that thing indoors too, still). If you go Cov Ops, at least hide in a place where you survive when their Oppressors strike.

agreed, and agreed

Silenced minigun, just THINK of it.. that'd make rambo's screaming even more retarded :cool:



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[m1rra]

A few well placed violators will absolutely rape your defenses and there is nothing you can do against it.

Bye bye supply crates, bye bye turrets.

[appleseed]

snipe BEHIND the water, front of mining laser, you'll cover both sides of the laser and you'll actually be helpfull for your team if your are good enough to snipe the constructors b4 they reach their goal, the only thing you need to care of when behind the laser (in my experience) are hog which will take the large way around, and countersnipe

peace

edit: I just noticed I actually rewrote the random generator's post, in an uglyer way :D

[Random Generator]

grenades < shooting < cooked grenades



Not when they're building the laser, takes too long. Far easier to shoot :)



It's ok, apple :) Im so kool I'm used to ppl copying me :p

[Seraphic_Mercenary]

Not when they're building the laser, takes too long. Far easier to shoot :)



:D i was hoping you would realise you start cooking it when u see them running towards it, so you get them before or just as they get on.....but yes ofc....if they are already building dont start cooking.....i would have thought that was commen sense tho

[Random Generator]

Well we were really meaning the point where they build :D It was in original CM's post- throwing grenades at the laser which is why I asked :p

Meh, I would just use a rocket launcher, it's just a tiny bit slower than grenades, but much more useful.

[Crime-Master]

3) they look at the radar. And see you


of course, looking at the radar. but you can provide distraction if the enemy chooses to focus on you. but, the enemy might think you are on the roof or something..he wont understand that you are under the building, cos it isnt easy to see. keep low profile and shoot only at the constructors that try to build the mining laser

And throwing grenades at the laser? Why, what's wrong with shooting? Faster and easier
ii find smoke useful in such objective. you yourself know that teh constructor is at the mining laser while the strogs cant stop you easily when you run in the smoke. with a good smoke deployment, you might run and kill 2 constructors at the same time. it is doable

that position wont guarantee you many kills, but can be used in a state of emergency..say, that you play in a good team.. your team goes down and one sneaky bastard starts to build the mining laser.. you snipe him if he is in your side, if he isnt deploy smoke and run to kill the constructor.. smoke can also provide some cover to the incoming reinforcement

3) the constructor usualy runs back-forward to avoid being shot. From your spot he'll be running perpendicular to you, meaning you're more likely to miss. From behind, where I said, he'll be running partallel to you, meaning you only need to adjust for hea

well, that is tricky. you need to be a good sniper..if only you could hold the rocket launcher while in the prone position.

the oppressor can simply open 2 energy shields and you are done. the sniper is useless there unless the context is where the team is well reinforced ie. turrets deployed and fixed well, vehicle inside and the team spreads through out the region.
i just thought that it would be nice to know for some that that sniping position is there depending on the aforementioned circumstances.


least hide in a place where you survive when their Oppressors strike.

A few well placed violators will absolutely rape your defenses and there is nothing you can do against it.


you can survive it. dig a bit deeper. that why the position is useful. if strogs hammer is launched..you are the most likely to survive in that area

i was hoping you would realise you start cooking it when u see them running towards it, so you get them before or just as they get on.....but yes ofc....if they are already building dont start cooking

i saw that cooking strategy applied in that objective..but you need to keep the oppressors away so that they wont obliterate your supply crate. stand behind a supply crate and throw as many grenades as you can on the mining laser or other area from which the strog is coming.and btw, if you choose the soldier (rocket launcher) and work with the medic who will revive you all the time..you might create a tank that fires at the mining laser.


anyway, i will test that sniping position to see how effective it is

[appleseed]

srsly bro just stop it.....

[kwisatz_haderach]

anyway, i will test that sniping position to see how effective it is

And next time you post a strat, just test it before ! I'd like to see a vid of you sniping constructor(s?) from your point cause i don't think you'll be able to kill anybody !

The mining laser (any map) is not an objective you defend by sniping, period.
Or you'll have to be the best snipe of all ETQW !

[Crime-Master]

And next time you post a strat, just test it before ! I'd like to see a vid of you sniping constructor(s?) from your point cause i don't think you'll be able to kill anybody !
i do test my strat, quite many times. if you dont like to snipe..choose the soldier with the big machine gun. and you will hit the enemy running easily, even before he reaches the mining laser

srsly bro just stop it.....
does anyone forces you to read all this?

[Szakalot]

does anyone forces you to read all this?

thats not the point.
the problem is that people do, and they might get a wrong idea by reading what you have sribed. So we expose are disagreement.

[Kristus]

of course, looking at the radar. but you can provide distraction if the enemy chooses to focus on you.
A nade, violator or even a shield in front of you (:p) by a passer by strogg and you're gone. (I'd probably go with the shield for the lulz)

[mixaldeepshit]

there is something that a found some time ago..i dont know if you know it, but there are several sniping positions in the second mission when you try to defend the mining laser

here is one that covers one side of the mining laser!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMcENnFbUns&feature=channel_page

the second sniping position is behind the bridge on the left side of the mining laser (the second face of the mining laser)

The third sniping position can be behind the mining laser (at a spot across the river)..i never used it, but i know people who did.


3 or 2 snipers are useful to have if you are in a large team and the strog attack is quite intense

hm.. your position looks good, but thats only one "good" on it. its just waste of cov. ops.

this map is GDF friendly (2objectives)

if you want to be cov.ops:
1. obj.: deploy radar, snipe stroggs from that windowed room (close to generator), + 3rd eye on the roof (closer to windows). If some strogg enter the room, kill him with 3rd eye and go back to room and snipe again and again..

2.You can stop stroggs with trojan only. (second obj) as constructor.
deploy AVT to protect your vehicle from hog attack.

[Crime-Master]

i think it is better if a soldier with GMPG went in that position and injured the incoming strog.. once you have one side covered..

you need a vehicle to get infront the mining laser, inside the curve.. fix it from time to time..

a sniper could be located on the other side of the river and your team could cover the rest of the side.

what i experience with a noob team is that they all die from a violator or two and then the strog dominates the area

[kwisatz_haderach]

Well then all the above is just pointless....

[Crime-Master]

may be..
but if you are a good sniper, you could try to snipe.. lol.

i got a few strogs killed by sniping

[Szakalot]

may be..
but if you are a good sniper, you could try to snipe.. lol.

i got a few strogs killed by sniping

i got a few kills by the defibrilators, but that does prevent them from being the 2nd weakest weapon in the game (the first being stroyent tool, which deals damage even slower)

[kwisatz_haderach]

i got a few kills by the defibrilators, but that does prevent them from being the 2nd weakest weapon in the game (the first being stroyent tool, which deals damage even slower)

Weakest weapon is the pliers/repair tool :p

[Crime-Master]

no teh weakest is to throw a marker (field ops) on someone

[Random Generator]

No that ranks same as emp grenade. Were talking about damage wise and Airstrike/ violator beacons kill if near infantry.

[Szakalot]

Weakest weapon is the pliers/repair tool :p

they dont do any damage, so i dont consider them a weapon

[appleseed]

its a shame tho, I can do many many sneaky bastard damages with a plier iRL, dont send me fBI plz;..

peace

[ZeBlob]

they dont do any damage, so i dont consider them a weapon Can't you construct someone to death in this game? Now that I think about it I don't think I've ever seen it happen. I guess most construct objectives aren't on the ground so it's a whole lot harder to catch someone in it but it should at least be possible with the bridges.

[Szakalot]

Can't you construct someone to death in this game? Now that I think about it I don't think I've ever seen it happen. I guess most construct objectives aren't on the ground so it's a whole lot harder to catch someone in it but it should at least be possible with the bridges.

you can but thats an indirect way of dealing damage. As is defibbing someone to have the revived kill for you, but you'd hardly call that a 'defib kill'.

[Crime-Master]

the best way to defend against strog is spawn as 2 engies, grab a trojan and a tank, drive so that you can see both sides of the mining laser (be behind the river, deploy AVT and AIT near you and shoot at the sides of the mining laser.

you could also reinforce your position by keeping the turrets near the mining laser fixed (especially AVT) so that the tormentor will have a tough time killing you.. a soldier with a rocket launcher nearby could also be useful.

if you play as a sniper in that position deploy smoke from time to time to prevent the incoming strogs to see what they jump into.
a sniper in that position could also target further back away from the mining laser..i just dont show it in the clip

[whiteaden]

no teh weakest is to throw a marker (field ops) on someone

actually, a Fieldops inside of Salvage should use it as an extra, rechargable grenade.. it does about the same amount of damage, and recharges...

[Szakalot]

actually, a Fieldops inside of Salvage should use it as an extra, rechargable grenade.. it does about the same amount of damage, and recharges...

except that it gives a little warning smoke, cant be cooked and flies slower, its cool.

[whiteaden]

except that it gives a little warning smoke, cant be cooked and flies slower, its cool.

it can be cooked.. sort of..?

[Teopeo]

no teh weakest is to throw a marker (field ops) on someone

I wouldn't call a weapon capable of a onehit kill weak...

[BobMem]

I've been killed by construction before! It was the bridge on Canyon.

[zaku212]

I wouldn't call a weapon capable of a onehit kill weak...

markers kill in one hit if they are close enough,just as good as any nade :D
if you know me at all you'll know i'm arty obsessed :P

[maveldis]

bahahahahaha nice smoke you fool, it gave u no cover and u got iced as soon as you ran out from there lol, the third eye is useless on the laser it will be blown up, putting it on one of the near buildings will provide a better location for it, as for where your hiding thats a fine place however, it only covers that one side of the laser, as stated before id rather have medics gaurding the laser

[zaku212]

bahahahahaha nice smoke you fool, it gave u no cover and u got iced as soon as you ran out from there lol, the third eye is useless on the laser it will be blown up, putting it on one of the near buildings will provide a better location for it, as for where your hiding thats a fine place however, it only covers that one side of the laser, as stated before id rather have medics gaurding the laser

True,a good blend of medics and engies is all you need really,arty is a luxury that can be gone without,as are RLs,one or two snipers can be handy for the radar,but unless they're moblie and flexible,they may as well hide in the base for the rest of the game,crime if you want to be a good cov-ops look at Rud or Rud.

[maveldis]

True,a good blend of medics and engies is all you need really,arty is a luxury that can be gone without,as are RLs,one or two snipers can be handy for the radar,but unless they're moblie and flexible,they may as well hide in the base for the rest of the game,crime if you want to be a good cov-ops look at Rud or Rud.

i would say if you wanna be a good cov-ops at least on ark, 2nd obj, keep up your radar, dont lay smoke near the objective as it will give strogg cover to run in, use the scoped assualt rifle if your gonna try to help defend, a constructor is gonna be moving back and forth while building and your chance of getting him in a one shot is almost zero, you'll be far more effective with an assault riffle trust me. and if your gonna use a third eye as i said toss it on a building to either side of the laser or even just behind the laser on the ground it will last longer and be more effective.

[appleseed]

scoped assault rifle??? never heard of that :D use SNIPER only, and allways, my fav preys are the scoped/accurazed which think they can kill me b4 I kill them long range...

peace

[maveldis]

scoped assault rifle??? never heard of that :D use SNIPER only, and allways, my fav preys are the scoped/accurazed which think they can kill me b4 I kill them long range...

peace

you know im right apples(tho maybe you and your ubber godlike sniping skills may help more than the avg player), and yes i do bet i could get you with a scoped AR before you one shot me ;)