I'm a crap shot - help me please!!

[moosea]

So the title of this thread pretty much says it all.

I am a really crap shot! Let me in to the objective and give me cover and 9 times out of 10 I'll do objective. But I just can't shoot!! I need your help guys and girls!

I know my accuracy is imrpoved by crouching and proning, I know the first few shots I fire will be the most accurate, I know that short bursts of fire are more usefull than holding down fire button. But still my accuracy is only 32% with assult rifle and 30% with lacerator.
What, if anything can I do to improve this? I would really appreciate some feed back from those more experienced players out there.

Thanks,
Moosea

[Szakalot]

thats not bad, 30% is pretty decent, dont worry bout it.

[LighT_Sh4v0r]

I get 30% as well with both. Not saying I'm overly happy with my accuracy, but it certainly isn't bad.

You can try playing a bit of promod, to see what your accuracy really is. In vanilla, aiming in the general direction of your opponent will get you hits. In promod, the general area is not enough. You'll find you'll probably get a much lower accuracy there, but with some training, you can rack it up to 35% or above.

[moosea]

You can try playing a bit of promod, to see what your accuracy really is. In vanilla, aiming in the general direction of your opponent will get you hits. In promod, the general area is not enough. You'll find you'll probably get a much lower accuracy there, but with some training, you can rack it up to 35% or above.

Thanks for the tip.
Yeah, I may try that, but to be honest I don't know that many people who play pro mod. So if any of you want to come kill a pro nOOb, add me in you friends list!

[TreeFrog]

Under the "search" function, type "autoexec" and you'll see a variety of autoexec settings the top players use. Some will lower your game visual quality, but may improve performance such as targeting.

also, try using a lower mouse sensitivity

[Basiley]

30% not bad for fair player.
team win - what matter most. not numbers in stats.

p.s.
crap shot ?
use NY times to defeat this things.
sometmes its "just works" (c).

[Tandem]

team win - what matter most.

not true
play for yourself first, team second
if you go out there expecting to land a cohesive team everytime you pub
this game will only frustrate you, no matter how much SD wants you to
believe in the pub-potential of this game.

30-32 isnt bad, same as me, and my kd/kpm isnt bad/or great.

playing obj in this game is all about spam, offensively &defensively.
if you want to work on your shot/acc, roam and concentrate on 1kill @a time.

[Basiley]

not true
play for yourself first, team second
if you go out there expecting to land a cohesive team everytime you pub
this game will only frustrate you, no matter how much SD wants you to
believe in the pub-potential of this game.

30-32 isnt bad, same as me, and my k/d isnt bad/or great.

playing obj in this game is all about spam, offensively &defensively.
if you want to work on your shot/acc, roam and concentrate on 1kill @a time.
you just try to another approach to things which im already said.
i mean about match result - mean alot more, than numbers in tables[stats, sport results, and etc].
victory itself is good prize.
consisting from small victory's over own nature and-or present enemy.

[Ashtaroth]

1) get a decent corded mouse
2) perhaps even a mousepad if you feel like you need it
3) try getting steady frames per second (120 would be perfect,but anything above 50-60 is enough)
4) adjust your mouse sensitivity properly: you may want to try,on an empty server or against bots with godmode, to focus on keeping your crosshair sticked to a stable little object whilst you strafe and move (lets say,that part that links the hog hyperblaster with the hog itself)
5) use a green small dot crosshair
6)play promod a bit

[KeFeaR]

Keep your mouse arm's elbow on your desk for extra support. Then play for 1000 hours.

[Seraphic_Mercenary]

1) get a decent corded mouse



OR this (http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-mamba/)

:oppressor: :infiltrator: :dance: :infiltrator: :oppressor:

[moosea]

1) get a decent corded mouse
2) perhaps even a mousepad if you feel like you need it
3) try getting steady frames per second (120 would be perfect,but anything above 50-60 is enough
4) adjust your mouse sensitivity properly: you may want to try,on an empty server or against bots with godmode, to focus on keeping your crosshair sticked to a stable little object whilst you strafe and move (lets say,that part that links the hog hyperblaster with the hog itself)
5) use a green small dot crosshair
6)play promod a bit


Ashtaroth -
1) see below!
2) got one!
3) How? I have unlocked the fps rate but it never stays steady - constantly flickers.
4) Have done this previously - but perhaps it's time to do it again!
5) will try this today!
6) will try this soon!

OR this (http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-mamba/)

:oppressor: :infiltrator: :dance: :infiltrator: :oppressor:

I have a real problem with my mouse. It sounds so silly! But my hands are only little and I struggle with most gaming mice. I find that they are designed for men and my fingers are in a strange position on the buttons of most mice. But I will go shopping ( I need to hold the mouse to check for comfort, so I can only take ideas from the net with me) and look for a good quality mouse that is the right size!
Thanks.

[zaku212]

OR this (http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-mamba/)

:oppressor: :infiltrator: :dance: :infiltrator: :oppressor:


i have a 5 euro mouse,and i find it doesn't make any diff,i can outshoot peeps even when they have the posh-ass ones(cept seraphic,cos he's scary)
i've got 34%,even though i'm a fond believer of pray and spray.(or vice versa)
moosea find which ranges suit you best, e.g i like medium range sniping with the acc lac,or in-your face with the lacerator/ass rifle

[Ashtaroth]

small mices do exist,it's all about your budget :)
the logitech g9 is expensive but kinda small and i guess the razer krait/diamondback arent huge either

[Basiley]

im personally prefer small mices[both for work and gaming]. in fact i simply CANNOT use bulky ones, which literally flooded mice market.
so i suggest check common notebook mouses - from MS and Logitech to recent BTC and A4, ones.
some of them also 1000Hz refresh and DPI sense above 3k.

[tomaterr]

On the topic of aim, the thing that has made the most difference for me is using a bright purple dot + circle crosshair
On the topic of mice, the Saitek Cyborg Mouse can change its size, and it has a hat switch on the side, perfect for your weapon/tool/item select keys

[PrivateGnome]

i've got 34%,

*cough* Violator and Airstrike *cough* :D

[maveldis]

u think you're a crap shot?? lol my accuracy is 20% then again i play opressor alot and shoot from far away and most my kills are from arty, however i would appreciate some tips to improve my shooting abilities.

anyone?

[Szakalot]

u think you're a crap shot?? lol my accuracy is 20% then again i play opressor alot and shoot from far away and most my kills are from arty, however i would appreciate some tips to improve my shooting abilities.

anyone?

sure

do your best for 5 years

come back and see if you have learned anything.

[appleseed]

The only thing that really improved my accy was to calm down durin firefights, not pressing freneticaly my mouse button like I could do in Q3 or SoF2, vanilla spread avoid you to track properly (I mean all the time like you can do with a plasma in Q3 as exemple) your opponent if he's moving, so really take the time to aim, remember that 3 HS = kill, you dont need to unload your full clip on one guyz, take the time to aim and shot by burst.

Using this you'll prolly get killed more at the beginning cuz if you shoot less than usual and still fail @ aiming you'll kill less and die more (math...) but you'll progressively learn to aim well and being efficient with 5-10 shots per kill (talking about relatively close-medium range). well, I was 27% and using this (+promod an hour/day) make me go at 30% accy in less than a month and a half... I also raised my K/D even if i really die mucho cuz of my battlesense's general lack.

Well try this, hope this will help.

peace

[maveldis]

The only thing that really improved my accy was to calm down durin firefights, not pressing freneticaly my mouse button like I could do in Q3 or SoF2, vanilla spread avoid you to track properly (I mean all the time like you can do with a plasma in Q3 as exemple) your opponent if he's moving, so really take the time to aim, remember that 3 HS = kill, you dont need to unload your full clip on one guyz, take the time to aim and shot by burst.

Using this you'll prolly get killed more at the beginning cuz if you shoot less than usual and still fail @ aiming you'll kill less and die more (math...) but you'll progressively learn to aim well and being efficient with 5-10 shots per kill (talking about relatively close-medium range). well, I was 27% and using this (+promod an hour/day) make me go at 30% accy in less than a month and a half... I also raised my K/D even if i really die mucho cuz of my battlesense's general lack.

Well try this, hope this will help.

peace

thanks apple, ya ill give this a try and maybe make a smurf to practice with so i dont wreck my k/d and acc. more than it is lol. im the type to suicide run in a violator lol so thats mhy my k/d ratio blows as much as my accuracy does

[zaku212]

*cough* Violator and Airstrike *cough* :D

ok that i do admit(my airstrike acc is awful,but vio is quite high) but i went down to 29 for a while(during my oppressor phase)but it's been on the up so nya!!

[Senethro]

i have a 5 euro mouse,and i find it doesn't make any diff,i can outshoot peeps even when they have the posh-ass ones(cept seraphic,cos he's scary)
Sorry mate, you look very average here.
http://stats.enemyterritory.com/profile/207643

So the title of this thread pretty much says it all.

I am a really crap shot! Let me in to the objective and give me cover and 9 times out of 10 I'll do objective. But I just can't shoot!! I need your help guys and girls!

Ask McNite, I'm sure hes still a smart guy.

The 30%s is the baseline for not being a horrible player, so good job on making it that far. That you've played 900 hours suggests you've built up an adaquate knowledge base and have the dedication required to do the hard part.

You need to work on your mousing. If you search posts by me for "mouse acceleration" you'll probably find me being longwinded about useful stuff. This guy is also worth a look: http://www.pwngamer.com/node/12
Most of what he says is fairly smart but don't assume everything that works for him will work for you.

Other than that, throw yourself into Promod (usually most active 7-9pm GMT) and lose a lot. Try and find people who beat you really hard and work out why they beat you.

Also, play Quake Live.

[PSG_MuD]

Don't feel bad, when I hit 200hours played my accuracy was 26%.

Get bigger crosshairs, that big + one is kind of good. You're probably losing sight of your crosshair in battle. Also, they say, once you "go pink"...

[Basiley]

AirStrike and Violator ftw, yes ;)
got 295 and 10955 acc, corresponding ;P

[Senethro]

Don't feel bad, when I hit 200hours played my accuracy was 26%.

Get bigger crosshairs, that big + one is kind of good. You're probably losing sight of your crosshair in battle. Also, they say, once you "go pink"...

Get smaller crosshairs. If your crosshair obsures the enemy head at your favorite shooting distance, its too big. Pink is a nice colour but its has a tendency to get lost among the red enemy info. So, I changed the enemy info to blue!

[Basiley]

Get smaller crosshairs. If your crosshair obsures the enemy head at your favorite shooting distance, its too big. Pink is a nice colour but its has a tendency to get lost among the red enemy info. So, I changed the enemy info to blue!

depend personal prefrencies.
im quite happy with my old-good Duke3D era-made(and used by default in Unreal 1 too) big cross-dot, crosschar(pin_08)
just reduced a tranparency to zero and all things go to proper places.

[PSG_MuD]

Get smaller crosshairs. If your crosshair obsures the enemy head at your favorite shooting distance, its too big. Pink is a nice colour but its has a tendency to get lost among the red enemy info. So, I changed the enemy info to blue!

I changed my enemies to white, mines stick out like a sore thumb.

[whiteaden]

Get smaller crosshairs. If your crosshair obsures the enemy head at your favorite shooting distance, its too big. Pink is a nice colour but its has a tendency to get lost among the red enemy info. So, I changed the enemy info to blue!

and how'd you change enemy info colors? what to put in my autoexec?

I'd like em to be blue too! gagh..

[Szakalot]

I changed my enemies to white, mines stick out like a sore thumb.

in vanilla pubs you can always increase the mines icon size. Set it to 2000 for gfx pleasure.

[Random Generator]

The trick I found really helpful with a sniper rifle is ALWAYS shoot at smallest magnification. Even at ultra long distances. Its zero spread, and the crosshair is almost static, you can pretty much fire on the run lol. Did this on quarry, 76% acc and most kills+ stroggies didnt get a single cell (well thats not my work, I just camped to the right of the ship and sniped 1 and 3 cells lol)


Also less sensitivity= more accurate. My is at 2.0 atm (5.0 being default, and Ill bring it down further still)

[Noxiide]

LOL my sensitivity on vanilla is 0.6 and on pro it's .48. Once I changed my sensitivity to 0.6 on vanilla I saw 3% increase so far.

[Don Zardeone]

Where your bullets go is totally random in etqw.
So try to shoot people in the back, while they're shooting other people, or when yo'ure assisted by an APT or in a vehicle or something.
1v1 gunfights aren't needed.
Or bring a bigger gun.

Don't like this?
Record yourself and see what your enemies are doing. They're doing exactly that.

[m1rra]

Use ironsights a lot and aim for the head.

[Zarlor]

You accuracy is not really bad, maybe what you need to do is to work on your movement in game? If you're crouching or proning a lot, then you are a simple target to hit. If you keep on the move with some strafing and throw in a crouch or possibly a jump sometimes then you will not be an easy target. My accuracy has improved some with time, but good battlesense will get you farther if you can't do much better with your aim. Try and use the environment for cover, throw out a couple of med packs if you're going to hang out in one spot, etc.

[kwisatz_haderach]

Add the following in your autoexec :

seta r_crappyAim 0

yeah i know i used this gag once but i like it :p

[Gradis]

The old ones are the best

[varlinx]

I have a bad aim to but who cares. I'm tactical and get the kills. The kills is all that matter. if u can clear out one room with wo nades and one clip ur good!

[mixaldeepshit]

im crap shooter too, thanx to my old mouse
http://www.lirc.org/images/IR-mouse2.jpg

[LighT_Sh4v0r]

I have a bad aim to but who cares. I'm tactical and get the kills. The kills is all that matter. if u can clear out one room with wo nades and one clip ur good!

That room had 1 flyerdrone? :p

[Zkuq]

Aim for the head... And avoid getting hit. Basically they both are about talent and practice. Well, the latter could include some neat tactics as well.

[zaku212]

if possible,use the little jump-boosty thing you get when jumping while running up a ramp,land behind,and cap em Q3 style :P

[kwisatz_haderach]

Hey here's another train-your-aim flash shooting game :
http://games.wegame.com/shooting/50_quick_shots/

[Szakalot]

the fps in that game is total crap.

[LighT_Sh4v0r]

Szakalot is right, the FPS makes it barely playable, and it doesn't punish misses.

[kwisatz_haderach]

yeah i agree, you need a quad core, 285gtx with 16gig ram to have a playable fps with this one... or you could also use this sig to play crysis :p

[maveldis]

I have a bad aim to but who cares. I'm tactical and get the kills. The kills is all that matter. if u can clear out one room with wo nades and one clip ur good!

going off topic here, but it was nice to see you play strogg!! and not totaly suck at it lol

[hellight]

Get bigger crosshairs, that big + one is kind of good. You're probably losing sight of your crosshair in battle. Also, they say, once you "go pink"...[/QUOTE]

I loose track of mine all the time, I use red dot.

[hellight]

yeah i agree, you need a quad core, 285gtx with 16gig ram to have a playable fps with this one... or you could also use this sig to play crysis :p

No way! I have a Pent D 2.66, Nvidia 9800 GTX+, 2 gig DDR2. "Everything" maxed FPS at 90 and its all good.

Oops I miss read sorry.

[yeoj]

My shooting setup is definitely strange, but I believe it works good for me. I'm an old wolf et player just starting to get into etqw.

I use a nostomo n52 for my keyboard/gamepad and a razer copperhead for my mouse setup. I have mouse accel turned OFF completely (Might need a registry tweak on winxp) but thats preference... some pro gamers def. use accel but I could never figure out how to shoot with it.

Here's the deal with the n52:
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=164714

All your strafing is done with your left thumb only like on a gamepad, but you have the left side of the keyboard for weapon selects available to all 4 fingers.

I setup the "Fire" button to be the "F" key on the nostomo... your pointer is the strongest/fastest finger, and I wanted to seperate "Shooting" from "Aiming" in my mind. Also, if you have a tendancy to push your mouse buttons to hard (Or if your mouse buttons suck.. like the old logitech mx518) then your mouse will probably move a little when you press the button down, making your pointer go south of a headshot... :( My left mouse button is crouch (Do this in firefights/dodging) and right button is jump (_not_ in firefights because of the spread...)

Now for the mouse setup:

I like the copperhead because its a finger tip mouse. Your palm shouldn't touch it.... if flows under palm giving you better "Correction" ability while tracking. I use a razer mantis pad (I think)... its a large cloth pad but I know some really good players using func pads and other gaming pads/etc so I'm not that die hard on it.

Some fancy gaming mice these days have the ability to set the horizontal and vertical DPI differently, making your mouse more sensitive left to right rather then up to down, helping to keep the dot on the enemy's head while you have higher sensitivity to track as you strafe. The razer copperhead, diamond back, and death adder have this. The logitech g9 does to with the Logitech set point software.

I learned how to shoot/play fps on wolf et years ago, and I'm just getting back into (Hopefully competitively/clan play) again after a few years. I think some of the wolf et players are amazing shots.... and the strategies for firefights from what I can tell somewhat carry over.

Somebody made a great guide to shooting with helpful practice and drills for wolf et years ago. I believe it was called "Aiming By Raziel" and it had all sorts of drills/etc in a 100mb zip file with movies and what not. This would def. be worth checking out if you could find it on the web.

Also, I think it would be great to make a practice map similar to ET Headshot just for practicing this stuff. My clan back in the day got a lot better at shooting when we practiced on this map that was designed specifically for aiming and 1 on 1 firefights.

Now if I could just get the rust off, figure out how to use those vehicles, and find a clan...

good luck.

-Joe

[yeoj]

My shooting setup is definitely strange, but I believe it works good for me. I'm an old wolf et player just starting to get into etqw.

I use a nostomo n52 for my keyboard/gamepad and a razer copperhead for my mouse setup. I have mouse accel turned OFF completely (Might need a registry tweak on winxp) but thats preference... some pro gamers def. use accel but I could never figure out how to shoot with it.

Here's the deal with the n52:
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=164714

All your strafing is done with your left thumb only like on a gamepad, but you have the left side of the keyboard for weapon selects available to all 4 fingers.

I setup the "Fire" button to be the "F" key on the nostomo... your pointer is the strongest/fastest finger, and I wanted to seperate "Shooting" from "Aiming" in my mind. Also, if you have a tendancy to push your mouse buttons to hard (Or if your mouse buttons suck.. like the old logitech mx518) then your mouse will probably move a little when you press the button down, making your pointer go south of a headshot... :( My left mouse button is crouch (Do this in firefights/dodging) and right button is jump (_not_ in firefights because of the spread...)

Now for the mouse setup:

I like the copperhead because its a finger tip mouse. Your palm shouldn't touch it.... if flows under palm giving you better "Correction" ability while tracking. I use a razer mantis pad (I think)... its a large cloth pad but I know some really good players using func pads and other gaming pads/etc so I'm not that die hard on it.

Some fancy gaming mice these days have the ability to set the horizontal and vertical DPI differently, making your mouse more sensitive left to right rather then up to down, helping to keep the dot on the enemy's head while you have higher sensitivity to track as you strafe. The razer copperhead, diamond back, and death adder have this. The logitech g9 does to with the Logitech set point software.

I learned how to shoot/play fps on wolf et years ago, and I'm just getting back into (Hopefully competitively/clan play) again after a few years. I think some of the wolf et players are amazing shots.... and the strategies for firefights from what I can tell somewhat carry over.

Somebody made a great guide to shooting with helpful practice and drills for wolf et years ago. I believe it was called "Aiming By Raziel" and it had all sorts of drills/etc in a 100mb zip file with movies and what not. This would def. be worth checking out if you could find it on the web.

Also, I think it would be great if ETQW had a practice map similar to ET Headshot just for practicing this stuff. My clan back in the day got a lot better at shooting when we practiced on this map that was designed specifically for aiming and 1 on 1 firefights.

Now if I could just get the rust off, figure out how to use those vehicles, and find a clan...

good luck.

-Joe

[Szakalot]

there is an etqw version of valhalla, checkout the custom content sticky list; in the general section

[yeoj]

Cool, thanks. Valhalla was great practice too.

I'll have to check that out.

[Senethro]

Aiming by raziel is getting kind of old these days. Its about time someone made an updated version (because a lot of raz's technical stuff is now incorrect or irrelevent) and stuck it on youtube or something.