Playing GDF and winning a map for a change 101

[DrFunkenstein]

The magic word tonight is Medics!

People don't seem to get it, GDF needs medics, lots of them. They can shoot, they can kill, they have insta-revives. They can drop supply crates which give you unlimited ammo, health and nades and on top of that, every player on the GDF team gets an extra 5 HP for every medic on their team. The maximum health boost you can get that way is 20 HP, which would mean that there are 4 medics on your team. Even if you suck at being a medic, simply choosing that class and killing enemies is enough to help your team, even if you don't revive anyone or never drop a health pack.

I'm not gonna say it's the major reason for the difference in map wins between GDF and Strogg but it certainly plays a part in that. GDF teams don't seem to realize the potential they have. Too often I join a GDF team that has no or just one medic and five or six players in the objective class. Bad choice! Two or three medics and the same number of objective players might get you a lot further.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but this wasn't a really good choice by SD in my opinion. In theory it's a nice counter to the stroy-up and down that Strogg can use, but it requires that players realize how it works and that their choices will affect their team. That's too much to ask for pub play.

Dr. Funkenstein

[LighT_Sh4v0r]

On the other hand, you'd be amazed to see how many people fail to realise stroyup/down exists as well.
So it's fairly balanced ;)

[Tandem]

That's too much to ask for pub play.

true, this statement can be applied to several aspects of this game
this imbalance is the main reason i quit playing objectives all together

[whiteaden]

On the other hand, you'd be amazed to see how many people fail to realise stroyup/down exists as well.
So it's fairly balanced ;)

hahaha.. sad.. but I agree... though 4 GDF medics > 4 people using Stroy up/Stroy down

[CoR]

On the other hand, you'd be amazed to see how many people fail to realise stroyup/down exists as well.
So it's fairly balanced ;)

Yeah. beware nubs will call health haxz on you. :confused:

Create a text file paste below script in. Save as > save as type > all files > stroy.cfg copy cfg and paste it to \Documents and Settings\username\My Documents\id Software\Enemy Territory - QUAKE Wars\base
run game drop down console exec stroy.cfg

bind "r" "_reload" "" "soldier"
bind "r" "_reload" "" "medic"
bind "r" "_reload" "" "engineer"
bind "r" "_reload" "" "fieldops"
bind "r" "_reload" "" "covertops"
bind "r" "_stroydown" "" "aggressor"
bind "r" "_stroyUp" "ALT" "aggressor"
bind "r" "_stroydown" "" "technician"
bind "r" "_stroyUp" "ALT" "technician"
bind "r" "_stroydown" "" "constructor"
bind "r" "_stroyUp" "ALT" "constructor"
bind "r" "_stroydown" "" "oppressor"
bind "r" "_stroyUp" "ALT" "oppressor"
bind "r" "_stroydown" "" "infiltrator"
bind "r" "_stroyUp" "ALT" "infiltrator"

seta g_class_context_aggressor "aggressor"
seta g_class_context_technician "technician"
seta g_class_context_constructor "constructor"
seta g_class_context_oppressor "oppressor"
seta g_class_context_infiltrator "infiltrator"
seta g_class_context_soldier "soldier"
seta g_class_context_medic "medic"
seta g_class_context_engineer "engineer"
seta g_class_context_fieldops "fieldops"
seta g_class_context_covertops "covertops"

If you already have context binds you will need to edit them!


When on strogg r=give health alt+r = take health give ammo.
GDF r=reload.

FTW!

[ShmeeCow]

The magic word tonight is Medics!

People don't seem to get it, GDF needs medics, lots of them. They can shoot, they can kill, they have insta-revives. They can drop supply crates which give you unlimited ammo, health and nades and on top of that, every player on the GDF team gets an extra 5 HP for every medic on their team. The maximum health boost you can get that way is 20 HP, which would mean that there are 4 medics on your team. Even if you suck at being a medic, simply choosing that class and killing enemies is enough to help your team, even if you don't revive anyone or never drop a health pack.

I'm not gonna say it's the major reason for the difference in map wins between GDF and Strogg but it certainly plays a part in that. GDF teams don't seem to realize the potential they have. Too often I join a GDF team that has no or just one medic and five or six players in the objective class. Bad choice! Two or three medics and the same number of objective players might get you a lot further.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but this wasn't a really good choice by SD in my opinion. In theory it's a nice counter to the stroy-up and down that Strogg can use, but it requires that players realize how it works and that their choices will affect their team. That's too much to ask for pub play.

Dr. Funkenstein

completely agree, just more so. ESPECIALLY when it is a ~objective();

so teams tend to get a lot of soldiers, you really only need one to plant, or mb 2 extras to finish arming it, which is different from hack and build, where taps keep it alive. if we had a 10 man team, I would suggest in general, about 4-6 medics, perhaps a covert or Fops, leaving 3-5 soldiers. A good medic can keep thing moving much more than a good soldier. (unless they are godly with the GPMG or the situation requires an RL.)

another thing to help GDF win, yes, here it comes: the anansi. Especially in maps like quarry, ark, canyon, all africa, area22, outskirts somewhat, and estate.

[ilikeanime]

What's a medic?

[whiteaden]

What's a medic?

the guy with the least ammo & grenades... :)

[DrFunkenstein]

the guy with the least ammo & grenades... :)

They guy with infinite ammo and grenades! Learn to drop a crate you noob!

<3 Whiteaden

Dr. Funkenstein

[ilikeanime]

the guy with the least ammo & grenades... :)

I dunno about you but I don't need that stuff, I only use my poisoned knife that I throw at people :)

[whiteaden]

They guy with infinite ammo and grenades! Learn to drop a crate you noob!

<3 Whiteaden

Dr. Funkenstein

I prefer to be where the action is, not where my crate drops :) and when I'm Strogg no crate is safe! :D

<3 Dr. Funkenstein

[xxcommodusxx]

and when I'm Strogg no crate is safe!

This is ill because I have played for about 1000 hours, but I just found out yesterday that you can lock onto crates with the Obliterator.

[DrFunkenstein]

I prefer to be where the action is, not where my crate drops :) and when I'm Strogg no crate is safe! :D

<3 Dr. Funkenstein

I'm organizing a seminar on "supply crate dropping" and I wonder if you'd be interested in attending that. Admittance is € 100 but it's tax deductible for your company and lunch is included. We have 4 of the top supply crate droppers signed as speakers, but I can't give out their names yet. I hope you'll understand.

Dr. Funkenstein

[GUNSL1NG3R]

This is ill because I have played for about 1000 hours, but I just found out yesterday that you can lock onto crates with the Obliterator.

I lol'd there. :D

Fun to wait til 3 or more gdf are at it.

[whiteaden]

I'm organizing a seminar on "supply crate dropping" and I wonder if you'd be interested in attending that. Admittance is € 100 but it's tax deductible for your company and lunch is included. We have 4 of the top supply crate droppers signed as speakers, but I can't give out their names yet. I hope you'll understand.

Dr. Funkenstein

depending on where it's located, I might attend...

ps. I'd like to thank you for your interest in my services as shown in the Queries on IRC, PM's & e-mails, but I'm sorry to inform you that the Seminar I've organized on Posting is already sold out... I'm planning to hold another Seminar in Calgary Canada, nearing the end of August 2009, you can pre-register for that via PM

[LighT_Sh4v0r]

and I'll officially reveal it here:
I'll be doing the keynote.

You saw it here first folks!

[THE-HANGMAN]

:dance: Agreed, med are the key.
The right mix of everything is also key.:dance:

[ShmeeCow]

medics are the only one who can drop crates, but that doesnt mean that they are the only ones who can keep it up. Remember, any class can have a crate up if they respawn at the right time. Useful for a sniper, never run out of emp nades or ammo :D

[DrFunkenstein]

depending on where it's located, I might attend...

ps. I'd like to thank you for your interest in my services as shown in the Queries on IRC, PM's & e-mails, but I'm sorry to inform you that the Seminar I've organized on Posting is already sold out... I'm planning to hold another Seminar in Calgary Canada, nearing the end of August 2009, you can pre-register for that via PM

I take a deep bow to the Grand Master of posting on these forums.

A friend of mine got a job at the Dutch-Canadian chamber of commerce and I recently learned that the plural of moose is moose as well. Can I skip the Canadian seminar?

Dr. Funkenstein

[whiteaden]

A friend of mine got a job at the Dutch-Canadian chamber of commerce and I recently learned that the plural of moose is moose as well. Can I skip the Canadian seminar?

only if you know the plural of Goose!

[appleseed]

geez?

8==============================> (enuff char now?)

[DrFunkenstein]

only if you know the plural of Goose!

Geese!

Dr. Funkenstein

[whiteaden]

Geese!

Dr. Funkenstein

you've successfully passed your Canuck-exams... you've been awarded one Get out of Seminar for free Card, you can redeem it at your local Seminar-hall!

[LighT_Sh4v0r]

Whiteaden, that skull in your signature should be a happy moose, seriously.

[DrFunkenstein]

you've successfully passed your Canuck-exams... you've been awarded one Get out of Seminar for free Card, you can redeem it at your local Seminar-hall!

Yay! Free drinks for everyone!

Dr. Funkenstein

[whiteaden]

Whiteaden, that skull in your signature should be a happy moose, seriously.

give me a happy moose outline and it'll be a happy moose... :)

ps.. I google'd happy moose & 2nd page gave me this (http://image63.webshots.com/63/7/92/57/467979257BRLuSI_ph.jpg)

[Fretless Arcade]

Having the right balance is key for whatever you are talking about whether GDF Medics, Strogg Technicians, Stealth ops and Field ops, Pushing forward while on defense or hanging back near the objective, Misdirection and going for the objective, the right balance is always key!

[Kneecap]

Thanks for the informative post Dr Funkenstein, I'm definately going to play more often as a medic on GDF!

[Zeah]

I really hate it when I'm gdf and 10 people no meds. I just leave.....

Oh and srs where are all these people with their medicinal nolejz when I'm playing. -_- MEDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC TECHNICIAAAAAAAAAAAAAN Actually strogg just about always has tech. But gdf?
PFffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[whiteaden]

I really hate it when I'm gdf and 10 people no meds. I just leave.....

Oh and srs where are all these people with their medicinal nolejz when I'm playing. -_- MEDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC TECHNICIAAAAAAAAAAAAAN Actually strogg just about always has tech. But gdf?
PFffffffffffffffffffffffffff

where's your english?

nolejz.. it's that I speak phonetic, I think you mean "knowledge"?

medic comes with LOW ammo, while Techician has infinite ammo... most people don't like playing medic because of that... (specially on pubs) I know what you're going to say: they have a friggin crate!.. again, on an average pub a crate won't last that long... and it takes their ability to throw medpacks away for a while.. thus they can't heal themselves, and go play Soldier with heavy weapons or Engineer for easy deployable kills...

[LighT_Sh4v0r]

where's your english?

nolejz.. it's that I speak phonetic

Where's yours? That's a Dutch expression: het is dat ik phonetisch spreek.
Doesn't work in English ;)

[whiteaden]

Where's yours? That's a Dutch expression: het is dat ik phonetisch spreek.
Doesn't work in English ;)

actually I ain't that sure about it... lawl... I'm dead tired.. been up since 5.30am this morning... WORKING yeah... and I have a birthday tonight... >__<

[BobMem]

In that case:

Hapy Birthday Whiteaden.

Unless it's not your birthday... :D

[LighT_Sh4v0r]

It's not, he's still a little boy :)

[BobMem]

actually I'd be interested to know how old you lot are?

Are my reactions a bit too 'old man' for ETQW now I'm 28?

[LighT_Sh4v0r]

Check our profiles, most regulars have their birthday submitted, for the sole reason of getting presents from Retsy in the Birthday thread.

[whiteaden]

I'm turning 19 on August 7th 2009... (in European dates: 07-08-09)

so if I'm a little boy, Light Shavor is still a baby boy...

*off to get diapers for his birthday :)*

[Deeder]

Please contact the Administrator if your date of birth has changed.

in the user CP..


Is that like, when someone finds religion, and they become "born again xxx" (christian, muslim, etc,etc)

[frizlefry]

I'm not gonna say it's the major reason for the difference in map wins between GDF and Strogg but it certainly plays a part in that.
Dr. Funkenstein

I thought the main prevailing school of thought about the win differential was the pre 1.5 patch MCP. The dark ages of full holds on the MCP phase of maps. I totally agree about the fundamental importance of the GDF medic to the team and how most players fail to recognize it thus undermining the inherent balance in the game. That said I think since the 1.5 patch GDF have been winning at least half the matches and might be gaining on strogg though I can't recall the ratio prior to 1.5 to be sure.

[LighT_Sh4v0r]

I'm turning 19 on August 7th 2009... (in European dates: 07-08-09)

so if I'm a little boy, Light Shavor is still a baby boy...

*off to get diapers for his birthday :)*

The difference is a full 2 months + 1 day :rolleyes:

dadada :dance:

[whiteaden]

The difference is a full 2 months + 1 day :rolleyes:

dadada :dance:

there ya have it! meesah older! :D

[BobMem]

Children, stop fighting and get this forum back on topic!

Ok, so you might claim it's my fault it went off topic, so sue me!

Played some GDF last night, we got totally pwnd on Canyon (I was the only medic) but then someone else picked up the baton too. We lost sewer but at least got to the last objective, by the end of the level we had 4-5 medics. Needless to say with 4-5 medics we managed a full-hold on volcano.

Obviously this is just one example but it seems to demonstrate the power of good medics effectively.

BTW: I have 450 hours of play and broke 4 personal bests on the volcano hold. Rock on.

[hellight]

Anyone here play east coast servers? I can kick ass as a medic and is my second favorite class. I usually get best medic and somewhere around 100 medic class points per mach. Not all the time though.

[Basiley]

yep, skilled medic can make life of team a lot easier and sweet.
rambo medics is just careless monkeys, bunnyhopping aorund team, game, obj's, teamplay and etc.
skilled medic must be also far-seeing guy(put strategy vision on FPS! its WORKS !!). and think FAST !

[hellight]

I may be what some call a "stingy medic" But I feel that the longer I stay alive the longer my team mates have a chance of me doing "my thing". I'm no good too anyone if I'm dead waiting whatever time is left on the respawn clock. . If you are too far away, sorry, I wish I could help but I can't. I tend too have too chase people just too give them medpacks. I want to say, "F" it" but I cant .

[Basiley]

I may be what some call a "stingy medic" But I feel that the longer I stay alive the longer my team mates have a chance of me doing "my thing". I'm no good too anyone if I'm dead waiting whatever time is left on the respawn clock. . If you are too far away, sorry, I wish I could help but I can't. I tend too have too chase people just too give them medpacks. I want to say, "F" it" but I cant .

thats mean good strategy to balance things, to helps team better.
im mean any crash course is fail, both rambos and suicide medics, tactics, you then need to be aware of many things.

[hellight]

Hey Basiley! What server and time zone do you play in?

[Basiley]

Hey Basiley! What server and time zone do you play in?

Europe mainly.
US server have too big ping 4 me :/
but i tried some times :)

[hellight]

I can play France from the US with somewhere around a 160.

[Leethal]

yeah, but i don't think ET:QW was built for pings higher than 100... I played today in a 100-ping server, and mines went off, nades blew, and I just got it one second later, lying dead on the floor.

[Basiley]

under 200 is still playable, but i prefer stick to servers with ping, "under 125".
got few servers wiith pings, below 90, like some Sweden, on Finnish(if im remember correctly), two polish and Corbina, Russian server[s].
from Europe - better pings has Scottish servers and some French.

[hellight]

I must be playing a different game! I get no new nades from a crate dropped from a medic.

[Tanzverbot]

yep, skilled medic can make life of team a lot easier and sweet.
rambo medics is just careless monkeys, bunnyhopping aorund team, game, obj's, teamplay and etc.


Yeah, killing enemies is like totally useless for the team.

[Kneecap]

Soldiers are for killing things incase you didnt hear...

[Basiley]

Yeah, killing enemies is like totally useless for the team.

right.
nothing is better kill games, than any kind of "Rambo"'s(including medics, one).
p.s.
"killing enemies" is obj and point to focus on it, in crappy games, like CS/BF/CoD.

Soldiers are for killing things incase you didnt hear...
yep. specially designated "for killing" class, with extra ammo/armour/armaments for this. for guys with quick reflexes and good tactical awareness.

I must be playing a different game! I get no new nades from a crate dropped from a medic.
bug, lag or simply emptied ammo part of crate[im dont remember, about uniform or not content of it].

[Tanzverbot]

Soldiers are for killing things incase you didnt hear...

Hello and welcome to Quake Wars. Don't get discouraged, the learning curve is quite steep.

[ShmeeCow]

Hello and welcome to Quake Wars. Don't get discouraged, the learning curve is quite steep.
lawl. I actually despise the soldier class on GDF, there is are always too many of them played by newbies, and not enough medics...

[Kneecap]

Hello and welcome to Quake Wars. Don't get discouraged, the learning curve is quite steep.

Ok, lets hear what you have to say about how we should most effictively use the soldier class, since you dont seem to agree with me that its for killing things. :dance:

[LighT_Sh4v0r]

Soldier is antivehicle/deployable mostly. The GPMG is a strong anti-infantry weapon, but too immobile to last long.
The medic on the other hand, can kill stuff, run around a corner to heal back up and repeat. He has high movement speed + infinate ammo and grenades as long as his supply crate is available.
Medic is more of an infantry killer class than a soldier, that's for sure.

[Leethal]

but medics have more pressing objectives than killing.

[LighT_Sh4v0r]

Like what?
Reviving teammates is only important when it's safe, or when they are absolutely neccesary for the current objective, or when you're about to die anyway.
In all other cases, it's better to kill first, and then revive.

[Basiley]

lawl. I actually despise the soldier class on GDF, there is are always too many of them played by newbies, and not enough medics...

no. skilled soldier can rock ! and roll, of course ;)

[Leethal]

When you revive a player, he gets 3 seconds of invulnerability to run to cover. If he's a total noob and doesn't know this, he'll start firing and die right there, otherwise he'll run back a bit to cover and come back to avenge his own death.

I'm sorry, the medic is the healer. It's an amazing gift to be thrown out...

[BobMem]

I'm bored of rambo medics, 'heal the team' medics FTW!

[xxcommodusxx]

In all other cases, it's better to kill first, and then revive.

Or if the the other guy is a medic and will chain revive with you. I love just reviving and getting revived while some hyperblaster 2 feet away eventually overheats and is easily killed.

[hellight]

under 200 is still playable, but i prefer stick to servers with ping, "under 125".
got few servers wiith pings, below 90, like some Sweden, on Finnish(if im remember correctly), two polish and Corbina, Russian server[s].
from Europe - better pings has Scottish servers and some French.

Here on the east coast of the US I play with a ping of around 35 - 70ms. Over seas its more like 140 - 180. I can hang with that. It doesn't really seem all that different to me. So add me and I'll play with you almost anywhere. I wont try and shoot you in the face but I will be an objective whore.

[xhan]

This game's classes would probably be less confusing if the "Medic" was actually called "Marine" and the "Soldier" something along the lines of "Demolition Man".

This mainly applies to GDF, as the Aggressor actually IS a decent frontliner thanks to the Hyperblaster and the Technician is inferior to the Medic as a combat class.

Then maybe idiotic discussions about "Rambo Medics" (which is a term exclusively used by terrible players) would finally stop.

[BobMem]

How is the technician inferior to the medic? He has a better gun, unlimited ammo and can stroy -> health.

Bring it.

[xhan]

This has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was trying to make, so I won't even bother.

[appleseed]

Thank you!

[Basiley]

How is the technician inferior to the medic? He has a better gun, unlimited ammo and can stroy -> health.

Bring it.
medic is less useful to rambo[than techinician]. at same scale, as less useful rambos, to team, itself[than "normal players"].

[xxcommodusxx]

This mainly applies to GDF, as the Aggressor actually IS a decent frontliner thanks to the Hyperblaster and the Technician is inferior to the Medic as a combat class.

I think that the medic is much more inferior as a combat class then the technician.

[Basiley]

I think that the medic is much more inferior as a combat class then the technician.

until medic learn how to stun opponent and then call deadly husky drop on him.
this uber-hyper combo works almost magically superb !! :)