mouse settings for better aiming

[omgh]

hi! last week i bought new mouse razer deathadder, cuz my old one mouse was terrible, and on my old account i had 31% accuracy only. With new mouse things changed ;) maybe my settings will help somebody to have better accurancy:


my mouse confing: dpi 450, polling rate: 500hz
ingame mouse sensitivity: 3.0
(i have 47% lacerator acc now)

i still dont understand different between 1000hz , 500hz and 125hz polling rate, i will try to play with 125hz what will happend.

edit:
new account accuracy:
http://i42.tinypic.com/auz094.jpg

[Senethro]

What are the names of your accounts?

I like the idea of discussion mouse settings but you've provided no explanation of what any of yours mean. Your ingame mouse sensitivity is also meaningless as you haven't told use your windows mouse speed or anything else.

So lets get this at the top of the page. If anyone else says a number for your mouse sensitivity you're an idiot. The only way to measure mouse sensitivity is by taking a ruler and measuring how far you have to move your mouse to turn 180/360 degrees.

DPI is dots per inch. Its how many readings the mouse is taking of the surface under it. A high DPI means it can detect very small movement and a low DPI requires larger movement. A high DPI is good if your grip is stable and you can make very small, very fine adjustments. A low DPI is good if your grip is unstable or if you like to shoot moving targets while moving. If your hand/wrist makes an error while in high DPI then your mouse will register it and you'll be lucky if your crosshair is within 15 degrees of your target. An error while in low DPI means your crosshair might fall off the head hitbox but will still be within the body hitbox. Your call.

Polling rate is how often the mouse is asked by the computer whats going on. Just like your computer/monitor drawing frames per second, more is usually better. Faster draw rate gives you better and more accurate information, a faster poll rate gives better and more accurate input. But in the old days USB ports were crap and processors were crap so you would get bottlenecks and so high polling rate was bad.
Don't believe me? Open up Windows Task Manager (Ctrl-Alt-Del) and look at the CPU usage %age when you spin your mouse wildly. I'm using an old G5 on a very old laptop and at fast movement I can use 20% of my CPU. Obviously I don't play FPS on this machine.
Most "gaming mice" should be at 500Hz by now just with default drivers. I don't see why you'd need to change this. I don't get what kind of advantage you'd expect to receive with 1000Hz polling rate and modern CPUs shouldn't chug even with 4000DPI polling 1000Hz (but you might want to check that anyway if you like buying expensive gimmicks).

[omgh]

12.2 inches / 31 cm / 360 degrees

[Senethro]

Edited my post to be clearer and I'm going to slip this relevent link in here.
http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26493


Another link on DPI and polling.
http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=column&mode=item&id=440

Some guy talking about moues grips. Most of what he says isn't wrong and by the standards of the internet, thats good.
http://www.pwngamer.com/node/12

This thread isn't bad, but ignore posts not by nogen, Verticae and Senethro.
http://community.enemyterritory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30459

[omgh]

thx for nice links. i updated my post above. about name accounts, i have 5, always deleting and creating new one ;)

[Senethro]

Found your stats page anyway ;D

Pretty nice but slightly too much emphasis on sniping. Sniping is what you do when you can't win a fair fight up close. That you've got a nice mouse now which lets you aim properly means you should work on your close fighting.
65 kills per hour is very good for a sniper but see if you can get to 90 kills per hour using Medic/Tech/maybe hyper.

[omgh]

Found your stats page anyway ;D

Pretty nice but slightly too much emphasis on sniping. Sniping is what you do when you can't win a fair fight up close. That you've got a nice mouse now which lets you aim properly means you should work on your close fighting.
65 kills per hour is very good for a sniper but see if you can get to 90 kills per hour using Medic/Tech/maybe hyper.

thx. im playin for accuracy now, just testing mouse,i will play properly later.

here are some of my accounts so u can see different, old mouse and new mouse:

[GUNSL1NG3R]

After the logitech 4.7update that fubard my mx revolution I purchased a Razor lacheses and found a slight improvement to accuracy. Though the feel is awkward when trying to use the right side buttons.
Well, yesterday out of the blue it just stopped working. The buttons worked but the cursor wouldn't move at all. Even tried reinstalling the software.
I took it back and swapped it out for a G9 and wow!! The thing feels much better. Going to have to play some rounds after going through the links posted above.
Thanks for posting btw

[nafetsman]

I've found with certain Razer mice that they sometimes randomly won't work (cursor won't move/buttons work fine), upon booting up into Windows.

To fix this, you can try just unplugging it from the USB port, and then plugging it back in. Then the mouse should function as normal. I have this intermittent problem with both my Razer Deathadder and Salmosa. Other than that they work great...

[GUNSL1NG3R]

Tried that on all (8) ports- tried reboots - as well.
Tried other mice on this pc and all worked fine.
Tried the razor on other pc's as well, no go.
No reports in AV etc.
Reinstalled drivers. meh, swapped for G9. everything is good so far.
Just tryin to get the feel for what I want bound where.

[ancient]

hmm i use a razer copperhead

1000 hz (windows goes only to 500hz on the usb hub i think, has to be adjusted somewhere, dunno, dont use win)
2000dpi
ingame sensitivity 18

never had issues with the razer, however my old hardware id programs identify it as: Echelon Inc.
:)
i draws quiet alot power for a simple mouse ...so maybe older usb hubs may have issues (thus the reconnect problem?)

[GUNSL1NG3R]

Called the store (best buy) to price out a new gfx card and spoke to my friend who works @ the geek squad dept there who said they tested the mouse and all he said was "yup, its shot". To bad because I think Razor puts out a great product. Unfortunately, I got a faulty 1.
I swore I would never go back to logitech after having experienced the lack of support with the setpoint 4.7 blunder but choices were limited @ the store and I wasn't leaving empty handed.
G series uses what appears to be a very different setpoint (skin at least).
I will always search the logi forums for feedback on newer drivers prior to installing from now on.
The G9 seems to fit my hand better anyway.
Still lookin for the sweet spot in settings.

[mgm]

i fail to see how accuracy stats indicate improvement in aim...

[Sublim3]

Low acc. = bad aim
High acc. = good aim

at least thats what i got from it......

[mgm]

Low acc. = bad aim
High acc. = good aim

at least thats what i got from it......

but then theres many factors,

the players playstyle,
ironsights,
vehicle,turret shooters, spread,
skill of opponents, i could go on for a while

[omgh]

i fail to see how accuracy stats indicate improvement in aim...

cuz im deleting both accounts,it was angelamerkel account

[Ashtaroth]

Low acc. = bad aim
High acc. = good aim

at least thats what i got from it......

It's a very personal and rather complicated discussion;
i've been playing with people that use very different sensitivities,ranging from 15 cmX360 to 70x360

Generally speaking,games that require tracking ask for a lower sensitivity rather than,let's say, rocketing in quake 3.

I tried different mice (g9,mx510,mx518,deathadder etc) and i came to (in my own opinion) the conclusion that there's no perfect gaming setup nor measurements.
I'm currently playing with the mx518 on a goliathus control alpha (thanks bj for the advice),800 dpi,0.8 ingame,6/11 windows,19 inches monitor, if that can help.

Granted,higher sens allows me to easily switch targets,trick jump,move faster in firefights, whilst a lower one grants better tracking.

As mgm said,accuracy means nothing,you could even have a 20% acc as long as you triple hs every enemy in front of you,although i noticed that generally speaking something in the lines of 32-37% is already good enough,assuming some pre-fire.

I personally doubt you can get sustained 47% with the lac :)

[omgh]

I personally doubt you can get sustained 47% with the lac :)

it will be over 50%, i will upload some pics later

[Tanzverbot]

I personally doubt you can get sustained 47% with the lac :)

It's easy. He just shoots at vehicles/deployables a lot:

metro_station
Lacerator
Accuracy: 47%
Kills: 444
Kills Per Minute: 1.99
Headshot Accuracy: 2.9%
Time Used: 3.72 hours
Xp: 653
Xp Per Hour: 175.7
Team Kills: 1
Shots Fired: 13,185
Shots Hit: 6,201
Head Shots: 385
Torso Shots: 1,800
Kills Deployable: 3
Vehicles Destroyed: 6
Deaths From: 34

More than 2/3 of all hits with the Lacerator where on deploys/vehicles, apparently. lolz.

edit, more lolz:

Railgun
Accuracy: 71.7%
Kills: 317
Kills Per Minute: 1.89
Headshot Accuracy: 19.7%
Time Used: 2.79 hours
Xp: 411
Xp Per Hour: 147.1
Team Kills: 0
Shots Fired: 1,148
Shots Hit: 823
Head Shots: 226
Torso Shots: 171
Kills Deployable: 1
Vehicles Destroyed: 4
Deaths From: 6

[Edix]

23% lacerator, 54% railgun. lol

[omgh]

It's easy. He just shoots at vehicles/deployables a lot:




Tanzverbot:

lacerator:

Shots Fired: 639,485
Shots Hit: 234,428
Head Shots: 35,187
Torso Shots: 112,833
Kills Deployable: 4
Vehicles Destroyed: 56
Deaths From: 12,551

headshots+torzoshots = 148020
deployables shots: 491465
= 76.85% shots on deployables


so what, tanzverbot.

maybe we should use knives on vehicles, or magic?

[DrFunkenstein]

Tanzverbot:

lacerator:

Shots Fired: 639,485
Shots Hit: 234,428
Head Shots: 35,187
Torso Shots: 112,833
Kills Deployable: 4
Vehicles Destroyed: 56
Deaths From: 12,551

headshots+torzoshots = 148020
deployables shots: 491465
= 76.85% shots on deployables


so what, tanzverbot.

maybe we should use knives on vehicles, or magic?

You might want to check your mathematics there. Shots fired is the total number of shots, not the ones that actually hit something. If you want to do the calculation you're trying to make, you should use the last one. But it still won't tell you much about his accuracy, because it doesn't tell you how many shots were actually aimed at vehicles/deployables and how many at other players.

Dr. Funkenstein

[omgh]

it doesn't tell you how much shots were actually aimed at vehicles/deployables or at other players.

Dr. Funkenstein

i agree. somebody here is aimed on stats only.
this topic is about that i play more accurate with new mouse like old one. not about deep analyzations of any kind. my game style will never change. i shoot on everythin what can move, deployables also. like everyone here.
so i have no idea wtf is wrong with that player, maybe he need first s3x probably. anyway, idk.

[Donatien]

For the Merkel!

Well thx to an egotard thread i got the Senethro's post. Very useful! ty

And on the other hand, i rarely post cause 99% of threads are a waste of time, but i feel good now, so i wanna tell you all, ranked skillers, stop telling us how good you are vs ppl who dont even know many times where is the freakin' keyboard

[omgh]

For the Merkel!

Well thx to an egotard thread i got the Senethro's post. Very useful! ty

And on the other hand, i rarely post cause 99% of threads are a waste of time, but i feel good now, so i wanna tell you all, ranked skillers, stop telling us how good you are vs ppl who dont even know many times where is the freakin' keyboard

ok donatien, u are cool. i mean , u are god! player. i know all players ftom rape clan, i know mgm's style (for me best player ever, most of his games i have recorded), drestokill and so onfrom EU. Im playin this game from beta, still remember 1st match with BBByurifol, or rasto as they was noob like me. But, point is, i was average player, i mean by stats. ETQW is my first MP game i ever played. I think eveybody can be good. Why not?

[Donatien]

oh lol ofc you can post demos showing my awesomenesss.
And well, the "i have a real life" card is pretty nice too.

Man, you dont understand. Try to remember someone you frag playing with your feet. Then imagine him posting here "heeey dude im awesum, i got banned on PTB" or "look my impressive acc ohh lol dude look it!"

I know i shouldnt be saying this because this is not polite and ofc there are dozens of players better than me but its ok.

Now im peace after reading tons of crap here.

Its nothing personal

[Ashtaroth]

btw DONATIEN, cOuld You explain me, WHY you ALWAYS REspawn during the FIGHT if YOU KNOW YOU are GOIN TO DIE? MAY I POST HERE SOME DEMOS OF YOUR GAMEPLAY?

personally,to piss people off
or,when i feel like they dont deserve the kill (hiding whilst im busy against one of their teammates to finish me off when im below 20 hp)

:)

[Tanzverbot]

There is different betwen u and me, or tanzverbot,cuz im mature.

Well, thank god you're not letting that get in the way of posting flames on an internet gaming forum.

[omgh]

oh lol ofc you can post demos showing my awesomenesss.
And well, the "i have a real life" card is pretty nice too.

Man, you dont understand. Try to remember someone you frag playing with your feet. Then imagine him posting here "heeey dude im awesum, i got banned on PTB" or "look my impressive acc ohh lol dude look it!"

I know i shouldnt be saying this because this is not polite and ofc there are dozens of players better than me but its ok.

Now im peace after reading tons of crap here.

Its nothing personal

nooooo , im sorry, donatien, my bad. you are very good player, and fair player also.

[omgh]

personally,to piss people off
or,when i feel like they dont deserve the kill (hiding whilst im busy against one of their teammates to finish me off when im below 20 hp)

:)

Lol,
so u decide who will deserve to kill you ? hm...

[Silver|Future]

Maybe u have lot of free time to improve your skills, but not me. I live my life 4 real, not virtual. I play maybe 1 hour per week. And look at my stats. Or my accurancy. I think eveybody can be good. Why not? Do you think you are the best? or tanzverbot? as i remember him, he was only vehicle whorer. so what?

Gtfo! metro_station = Mixal1 right? That means at least a thousand hours on the clock on that account alone. 1 hour per week? Try 2 hours per day...

[Tanzverbot]

Coliseum - professional fakenick buster

[Silver|Future]

Coliseum - professional fakenick buster

I like to, you know, 'keep things real'... ;)

[mgm]

personally,to piss people off
or,when i feel like they dont deserve the kill (hiding whilst im busy against one of their teammates to finish me off when im below 20 hp)

:)

i like to do the same thing ashy... then some retard says something like '' omgnoobrespawnmgmblabla'' but then again i usually time everything i do so i never really enter shit situations with crap timer...

and lol mixal1 = metro_station

yAwn ftw coliseum :P ?

[Silver|Future]

and lol mixal1 = metro_station

yAwn ftw coliseum :P ?

Not really. Mixal told me he was the one behind the AngelaMerkel account about a week or so before he deleted his main account. So this case <ahem> was easy to crack. A slight slip of the tongue and the wannabe pwnz0r is b*u*s*t*e*d!

*lights pipe* *unfolds newspaper*

[Ashtaroth]

i like to do the same thing ashy... then some retard says something like '' omgnoobrespawnmgmblabla'' but then again i usually time everything i do so i never really enter shit situations with crap timer...

and lol mixal1 = metro_station

yAwn ftw coliseum :P ?

exactly,no point in giving your enemy a kill and getting 28 secs respawn!

It even gets funnier when you've just engaged a firefight with a spawnhost close to you,land in a few shots,resp,get a new host :)

Lame? Perhaps.
Effective? For sure!

[ancient]

i've been playing with people that use very different sensitivities,ranging from 15 cmX360 to 70x360


you literally mean 15 to 70 cm (centimeter) for a 360° turn?
....on max that is close to a meter? seriously?
doesn't that actually take a lot time (for motion alone?)

Coliseum - professional fakenick buster
hmm he is good in spotting disguised players, but i think he is getting old...
at least, i dont believe that he has spotted my latest yet :p

[Szakalot]

i find it funny how OP got pissed at Tanz just for posting his abnormal deployable targeting.
Its even more funny, when you read on, and see how angry he got, with all that mighty 'i got real life - losers!' attitude.
Quite emotional for someone who is so laid back and doesnt care.

Thats maturity for you.

[Tanzverbot]

you literally mean 15 to 70 cm (centimeter) for a 360° turn?
....on max that is close to a meter? seriously?
doesn't that actually take a lot time (for motion alone?)



It's completely beyond me how people manage to play with such a low sens. I think somewhere on this board rglaf once said he needs like 85cm for a 360°. Well, he seemed to be doing well enough with that. :p

[Silver|Future]

hmm he is good in spotting disguised players, but i think he is getting old...at least, i dont believe that he has spotted my latest yet :p

Old and slow, that's me. Taking a guess here: Ancient = Nellaf.

[m1rra]

Dear Detective Coliseum,

are you taking orders at the moment? If so, I have a new case for you. Money does not matter.

Yours sincerely,

a curious shitnub

[Silver|Future]

Dear Detective Coliseum,

are you taking orders at the moment? If so, I have a new case for you. Money does not matter.

Yours sincerely,

a curious shitnub

Ehm. The joke is wearing kind of thin to be honest, but since I'm a curious person myself (and the money doesn't matter bit caught my eye too), I'll give it a shot. Who are we talking about?

And if you ever call yourself shitnub again, I'll be forced to drive to Germany to smack you around the face. ;)

[m1rra]

The name was Dr. I.Gitt :D

A nice sniper and I got an idea about his true identity. Your smurfbuster sense is more reliable though.
It's on!

[Silver|Future]

The name was Dr. I.Gitt :D

A nice sniper and I got an idea about his true identity. Your smurfbuster sense is more reliable though.
It's on!

Impossible to tell. Haven't encountered him ingame, his stats reveal no particular strenghts (in fact they're quite mediocre) and Yawn comes up blank. You'll have to figure this one out for yourself. Should be easy for you, the guy's German: http://stats.enemyterritory.com/profile/242338.

I'll take a wild guess though: experienced player (5 to 1 win/loss ratio, 5 objectives in 5 hours + short duration of games indicates he stacked, only works if you know who's who), from Germany, poor shooting which may partially be due to having been away from the game. Taking the name into account I'd say it's someone like dtk's Gittler shaking off the rust. Could be completely wrong though.

Case still open. The detective rests.

*unfolds pipe* *lights newspaper*

[Senethro]

guys this had the potential to be a nice thread and look what you've done :<

please, talk to me about mousing stuff you've learned, even if its for CoD4 or Q3. I'm interested in all fps

[Ashtaroth]

please, talk to me about mousing stuff you've learned, even if its for CoD4 or Q3. I'm interested in all fps

you mean dpi hz etc ?

edit: only one thing i can say for sure regarding "mousing stuff" is the critic towards laser mice.
Think about it for a second: they told you it was a new technology,a huge upgrade from optical devices; moreover,it's a freaking cool laser,as leet as it sounds.
LASER GUNS.
Truth is,except perhaps for the latest g9 edition,laser devices aren't just made for gamers,at least low sens ones.

To argue this I'll ask a simple question: where do you think the major difference between a "pro-mouse" and a normal one lies?
It's not DPI: actually,for normal 19-21+ inches screens 800 dpi is just good enough,and additionally few gamers go for 400.
Precision? Even a ball mouse's got precision; the difference between new generation mice and older ones regarding this is minimal.

It's all about inches per second, aka the max acceleration your mouse can sustain; while the issue isn't really that noticeable for high-med sensers,for a player using a low sens this is going to be the major aim when investing money for a decent mouse.

I personally think that, if not the majority,few people that play games where a tracking aim is required (css,et,etqw,lightning/plasma gun in q3/ql etc etc) will have a sens low enough to track as good as they can.

Even for someone with a 30cms*360 sens the negative acceleration these laser miceprovide is going to penalize them, but it may depend on the surface the mouse is placed on (usually it's not that noticeable on white-bright coloured surfaces).

However,they are slowing fixing this problem:
I can't really tell anything about the newest razer's Mamba, as I haven't had any chance to test it out yet,but just have a look at Logitech's newest mice,and compare their IPS

G9: 1,15 to 1,65 metres per second
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/mice_keyboards/devices/3053&cl=it,it

G9x: up to 3.8 m per sec* (*On the majority of mousepads)
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/mice_keyboards/devices/5092&cl=it,it


For someone like me,playing at around 65 cms*360°, the G9 was a utter disappointment: on quick 180° turns the thing just skipped,even if it was on a pad supposed to get the best performances for laser mice (razer destructor).

I'm sure this issue is going to be history in a couple of years but,till then,i'll stick to my optical mx. (whose stats aren't true on the logitech site,there was an article reviewing most of the mice and compared each other,i'll link it as soon as i can find it)


IMO.

[Silver|Future]

guys this had the potential to be a nice thread and look what you've done :<

please, talk to me about mousing stuff you've learned, even if its for CoD4 or Q3. I'm interested in all fps

Sorry about that Senethro, regard the past few posts as an interlude if you will. Actually I experimented around A LOT, with several of your posts as guidelines. I'm not sure however how my experiences and preferences will help you. Besides, I'm still not done yet as lowering my sens past 25cm/360 has made it -at last- impossible for me to accurately manipulate my DeathAdder.

[mgm]

exactly,no point in giving your enemy a kill and getting 28 secs respawn!

It even gets funnier when you've just engaged a firefight with a spawnhost close to you,land in a few shots,resp,get a new host :)

Lame? Perhaps.
Effective? For sure!

lol i did that to someone then he stoopped to type when i respawned then i killed him xD


Sorry about that Senethro, regard the past few posts as an interlude if you will. Actually I experimented around A LOT, with several of your posts as guidelines. I'm not sure however how my experiences and preferences will help you. Besides, I'm still not done yet as lowering my sens past 25cm/360 has made it -at last- impossible for me to accurately manipulate my DeathAdder.

hmm 25 cm to 360.. i think im just over 20 cm il have to see


makes me thing about how nkm managed to keep a 8.85 killdeath stat... on his last smurf he had 4.5, 1.2 hs perhaps?

cant say much about rglaf's 70 cm 360 O_O

[ducnow]

Any of you get rid of Windows mouse acceleration?

It makes a WORLD of difference in tracking, no over compensation via windows.

It will not help people with no aim however people that are already good shots it will help you go and stop on a dime.

It will feel weird at first but will allow you to compensate with DPI/tracking rather than windows or in game sensitivity.

http://www.teampandemic.net/features/12

Disreguard the comments about counter strike....

[BobMem]

Disreguard the comments about counter strike....

Now there's a quote for all seasons!

[Silver|Future]

Any of you get rid of Windows mouse acceleration

First thing you should disable imo.