Why the Hate?

[Sadistic_AnGeL]

I see a ton of people trashing EA on this forum but I'd like to remind people, at least EA tells us when their games are. Like f***in s**t! grow some balls and tell us when etqw is comin' out.

(I know all the fanboys are about to flame me on this board)

[DarkangelUK]

EA don't need to tell anyone when their games will be released... they churn out more junk than everyone else so it's usually a weekly basis.

[Martijn]

They simple dont tell it us becouse the do it not before it isfinished. By ea you know when its releashed but then its not ready. A game with less or no bugs is much better as the ea crap

[Lanz]

I actually kind of agree with Sadistic_AnGeL. But because I'm really tired of seeing comments about BF. Enough about EA and BF and more about ET:QW. That's what this forum is about, it's not here for you to show your irritation about BF, this is not a game made by EA. It wont even play like BF. So less of that please.

[jammie_d]

EA don't need to tell anyone when their games will be released... they churn out more junk than everyone else so it's usually a weekly basis.

lol, couldnt agree more. BF2 SF was the worst £20 I spent, ever.

[dignitas/SonDac]

ive been on the 2142 beta and it was a disaster. The game had all the bugs bf2 had on release plus alot more and it felt like all the feedback that was given didnt leave the forums. They had already fixed half the stuff in bf2 but for some reason they didnt care to add them to 2142. Now they are patching the game fixing stuff they already done one time in bf2. I wonder if its just to keep the community happy with random patches? EA doesnt care about their games aslong as they sell or atleast thats the impression you get.

[KlosterKatten]

ive been on the 2142 beta and it was a disaster. The game had all the bugs bf2 had on release plus alot more and it felt like all the feedback that was given didnt leave the forums. They had already fixed half the stuff in bf2 but for some reason they didnt care to add them to 2142. Now they are patching the game fixing stuff they already done one time in bf2. I wonder if its just to keep the community happy with random patches? EA doesnt care about their games aslong as they sell or atleast thats the impression you get.

Thats why i didn't like it when they bought Dice, it all went to hell.

[Pseudo]

I see a ton of people trashing EA on this forum but I'd like to remind people, at least EA tells us when their games are. Like f***in s**t! grow some balls and tell us when etqw is comin' out.

(I know all the fanboys are about to flame me on this board)

Slightly true. Lets get some miracle grow kick'n!

BF2 Good game. 2142 wtf EA.

[Camaxide]

I also played that beta, and even though I didnt get time to find all the bugs there I see tons of BF-bugs while I play BF2. I love that game, still after all this time with it, but there are so many things that drags it down.. I'm used to the ID-system, all the way from Doom and Quake. The feel of a polished system that is easy to use and understand, and a system that lets you do what you want to do. I talk about a console that is easy to use, a interface that lets you change those detailed settings and a cfg-file that can be edited with easy by whoever it might be. Half-Life buildt on with ID's system and I loved it, as a CS-player for many years it was easy to do what you wanted, and the fact that HL was based upon ID's easy to customise system made mods like CS possible.. I see none of this is BF2.. setting the buttons I want.. a pain, from the start there was impossible to bind a key without unbinding it manually from what is previously was.. there are buttons I cant setup, like I'd like to bind weapon2 to scrollup and such things - cant be done from gui, and opening the cfg.. hell, its a mess - and it takes time to make any sence of whats in it. Further, the Gui isnt working all that well, demoplayback is buggy, pause breaks demos and the list goes on. The ingame-bugs are even worse, and actually you can ruin a whole match by a flag bugging if you are out of luck.. I'm really really happy that ET:QW is done when it's done. I dont have a rush, I just want the game to be good. I dont expect the final version to be bugfree and without problems, I just want to know that SD and ID put their best efforts into making something that feels like a finakl release, and not a game with things that works (mostly) and thats about it. SonDac and team dignitas are both respected in the BF2-community so I know he also loves or loved BF2, many do - but the way things are done in BF simply cant last long, and thats what makes me and many other BF'ers switch not to 2142, but to QW - if QW lives up to our expectations, and I think it will.

[space]

I see a ton of people trashing EA on this forum but I'd like to remind people, at least EA tells us when their games are. Like f***in s**t! grow some balls and tell us when etqw is comin' out.

(I know all the fanboys are about to flame me on this board)

id will not allow a game to be released unless it meets or exceeds the quality they expect from a game.. (that is bascially a dev quote)

So if you want crap games that never get patched.. go and support EA.. if you want a good game you can play for years, suck it the **** up and wait for the game to be released.

Yeah I'm real glad I got my pre-order for 2142 righton the day I was supposed to without a delay, but the game sucks balls and I played it for 3 weeks adn they still hav't patched out the issue that make the game shit.

I don't care if they push back ET:QW again if when the game comes out I play it for 4 years. Some people are just sticklers for quality.. some peopl ejust want it now..wah..wah... I wants it now... and they end up with the hack-job-peice-of-less-then-trash-bullshit games released by EA.

That's why we flame EA, becuase they just want our money, and never support thier communities with decent patches or games.

Why do they release an expansion pack instead of a patch.. why.. becuase.. you.. have.. to.. pay for it. Duh.

[Sadistic_AnGeL]

all i'm saying here is that while EA releases junky title after junky title they give us a release date, a way into the beta for god's sake, and a demo. iD keeps churning out the "it's done when it's done" line which is getting old and tiresome. all i ask is that they give us solid dates. a project two years in the making can't have that many bugs left.

[space]

all i'm saying here is that while EA releases junky title after junky title they give us a release date, a way into the beta for god's sake, and a demo. iD keeps churning out the "it's done when it's done" line which is getting old and tiresome. all i ask is that they give us solid dates. a project two years in the making can't have that many bugs left.

There is a solid date that you can currently pre-order for. If your in the habbit of buying a decent game from any company there is usually a few push backs.

Learn to live with it, it's part of the industry.

[Sadistic_AnGeL]

I'd like to add the need for them to move into open beta soon. Quoting Locki himself in his myspace blog: "Matches are balanced internally, but we know that a larger community of players can develop more strategies and exploits in a week than internal testing can discover in a month"

so i guess he said it best. come'on iD the game's almost out let loose and send it to the community!

[space]

I'd like to add the need for them to move into open beta soon. Quoting Locki himself in his myspace blog: "Matches are balanced internally, but we know that a larger community of players can develop more strategies and exploits in a week than internal testing can discover in a month"

so i guess he said it best. come'on iD the game's almost out let loose and send it to the community!

I totally agree with you tho.. give us the damn demo already =]]]

[Sadistic_AnGeL]

There is a solid date that you can currently pre-order for. If your in the habbit of buying a decent game from any company there is usually a few push backs.

Learn to live with it, it's part of the industry.

The pre-order date is estimated, i checked, and i know the industry is full of push backs but it's also full of release dates, i'm just saying...

[Sin]

I agree, releasing a buggy unfinished game like that and peddling it to millions of people as a fully developed product takes some huge balls.

[space]

The pre-order date is estimated, i checked, and i know the industry is full of push backs but it's also full of release dates, i'm just saying...

Yeah dude, I feel ya. I've been waiting on this game and had it pre-ordered every time they have a tentative date.. I just would rather the game be pushed back and good, then released on time, a POS, and then never patched. .

[sponge]

People defending buggy-ass, but on-time! releases is also getting really old and tired.

[Camaxide]

They do not know when its finished.. since they arent done until they are satisfied with the result.. thats why you cant get a date.. if they knew when it would be completed they would tell long time ago. if they put a date and wasnt done by then, you would simply whine about that instead.

[chillar15]

Ever since I heard that BF2142 was coming out, I was desperate to play the game. And sure, it was a good game, but EA honestly doesn't give a damn about service to the community. Of course they fixed up a lot for 2142, but how many bugs are there, well into the hundreds, if not thousands? BF2 was, and still is a good game, but again, theres numerous glitches throughout the game. EA rushes out games in order to make money, and once they have your money, they don't care anymore. Ever since 2142 came out, where did BF2 go? Is it me, or did it disappear from EA's "We Care" bin? On the other hand, for over a year now SD and Activision have listened to the things the community wants and have updated us on what's going to be in game. They haven't rushed out the game, but instead of perfected it with patience, and of course people bitch about not getting their beta in mid-April, but it's not like they're sitting there with the final copy of the game and playing it for their own enjoyment. Don't get me wrong, BF2 was the first real shooting game I liked, but EA doesn't care about anything other than money. Go look at this (http://www.quakewarscenter.com/enemy_territory_quake_wars_preview.html) and you'll see the kind of quality the developers of ET:QW stand for. And lastly, as much as I hate MMORPG's, WoW is a good example, and is so popular because Blizzard cares about its gamers, and even if it does cost $15 a month, they go out of their way to ensure their players have a good time and get what they pay for; not some futuristic mod off the same excuse for a gaming engine.

[Pseudo]

People defending buggy-ass, but on-time! releases is also getting really old and tired.

So is the fact that I have the ability to speculate a release date into 08, and nobody can tell me otherwise.

[umulamahri]

I see a ton of people trashing EA on this forum but I'd like to remind people, at least EA tells us when their games are. Like f***in s**t! grow some balls and tell us when etqw is comin' out.

(I know all the fanboys are about to flame me on this board)

Well EA shoves all of there games out the door even if they are not done. Do you want that. Do you want to play ETQW with bugs?? I don't , They will not say its done until its a solid game.:)

every time I play b2142 in the titain I allways see people cliping/ shooting threw the walls. If I see something like this in ETQW I will be very disapointed. some games just take time.

I really hope EA dosent screw up crysis, even throw their not developing it they have control of it.:eek:

[space]

Well EA shoves all of there games out the door even if they are not done. Do you want that. Do you want to play ETQW with bugs?? I don't , They will not say its done until its a solid game.:)

every time I play b2142 in the titain I allways see people cliping/ shooting threw the walls. If I see something like this in ETQW I will be very disapointed. some games just take time.

I really hope EA dosent screw up crysis, even throw their not developing it they have control of it.:eek:

LOL if its connected to EA, it will be buggy as hell, it will never get patch, and people will complain about it to no end.

Thier track record speaks for itself.

[JiggaJigga]

I see a ton of people trashing EA on this forum but I'd like to remind people, at least EA tells us when their games are. Like f***in s**t! grow some balls and tell us when etqw is comin' out.

(I know all the fanboys are about to flame me on this board)

You are so ignorant. EA sets a date and releases the game wether it's done or not. Your telling Splash Damage to get some balls? That is the dumbest shit i ever heard in my life. At least they help customers and work on their games hard. Splash Damage Spent more time on one MAP then EA spends on their whole GAMES. Because all they care about is money.

Anyone will tell you that. They suck and you know it. They lie and steal from people and i with many others will NEVER buy from them again because of their lousy work.

EA is more intrested in Quantity then Quality of games. If they sell more thats all thats important to them. Sure they make 2-4 patches but thats not nearly enough because they rush those just like their games. After that they start a new title. It's Ridiculous and i hope they go bankrupt because of the way they treat people.

[Apos]

BF2 was a good game until 1.12 patch... EA/Dice lestened a wrong players and changed a game into nasty thing with a hundreds of unlocks, ranks and tons of bugs :-/

BF2142 is only marketing serve to catch more suckers and obtain money.

-edit-

Please, close topic. Anybody whos indignant must concile with this (ETQW will release soon :))

[zig-zag]

Part of the reason I think id never sets release dates, is that they themselves don't know. The day they feel the game is done is the release date. Look at original ET, great game, was supposed to be retail, but they didn't feel it was up to par with their standards and released it for free. They might have even cancelled it altogether instead of putting their name on an unfinished product. Luckly for us they just released it without bots and the other things they wanted included. It was just too good of a game to not get it out there, fully realized or not.
Just IMO

[JiggaJigga]

I agree with the above poster. It's better not to set a release date because if you have to change it you dissapoint people and thats like giving them false hope. Not good.

[Sadistic_AnGeL]

some of you guys are really missing the whole point. I'm not attacking id and i'm not saying EA's any good. 2142s a buggy mess of a game but at least i knew when it was coming out, when the demo was, and when i could play it. Now i'm all for quality in titles and blah blah bla you damn iD fanboys but after two frickin' years if it's not ready yet i doubt it ever will be. Besides if they truely have such great community support you know patch would come quick. I'm saying right now they aren't showing much love for a faithful community which has patiently waited 2 years and are still being fed the it's done when it's done line. I'm saying i'm sick of it and how secretive they're being by not letting their community even play what they've got by now. Being coy was entertaining at first but this really is enough

[num3]

Hmmm how EA works is that they start a project and they fix a release date to stay within expected investment versus expected revenues. If the game is really buggy and doesnt even worth to be released (hello 2142) they will release it anyway. That shows how EA doesnt give a crap about you. They only want your $ and they know that the bf series has enough fans from previous versions that even if they release the worst game quality wise they will still make $. Splash Damage and iD are more professionnal and they prefer to make sure the game has an awsome quality before releasing it. I also prefer it this way so i dont feel like i got ass raped and got my $ stolen.

[Moncealyo]

Hey I see what you are saying we would all like to be in on a possible great game. I think this in the end puts more pressure on them to come out with a quality product. I also think they might be taking into close consideration the mess at ea with reguard to BF. For me I recently started playing bf2142 and I like it a lot after I finally got through the punkbuster and vista issues. I wish gamestop would do away with the june 5 release date because I don't think it's going to happen. In the end if they come out with a quality product that is easy to install and run then I don't mind the wait or lack of info. However if when the game releases the problems that bf2142 is having (like with punkbuster) occur then all hell is going to break loose. Yeah bugs will be there but it looks worst if you are secretive and have bugs.

[Strogg]

I see a ton of people trashing EA on this forum but I'd like to remind people, at least EA tells us when their games are. Like f***in s**t! grow some balls and tell us when etqw is comin' out.

(I know all the fanboys are about to flame me on this board)

Well at least ID/Activision/SD dont put out crappy CTD and other F-Up'ed screw ups with their release versions of their software like EA does!
Good Examples: BF2 & BF2142 muhahahahaha :mad:

[b0rsuk]

The last EA gama I played was C&C: Generals. Basically EA is very slooooooow about releasing patches, actually they rarely release any patches at all. They concentrate on expansion packs rather than supporting existing games. They make fire&forget games. EA forums are always full of people annoyed with bugs or balance issues and fools saying that people should wait calmly because patch will fix everything. It almost never does, and in some cases (BF2) it may introduce new bugs.
They don't even talk to gamers. Splash Damage people, being gamers themselves, post quite often on this or original forums, when they have something important or just sarcastic to say. You can also talk to them on irc.

I say this based on several years of experience with EA games. If they release rushed games, rehashes and little to no innovation, shouldn't consumers defend themselves ?

Look at the ratings they get at metacritic . Compare average rating of critics to average user rating. Each time you see such a difference your alarm bells should trigger.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/battlefield2142

[Joe999]

some of you guys are really missing the whole point. I'm not attacking id and i'm not saying EA's any good. 2142s a buggy mess of a game but at least i knew when it was coming out, when the demo was, and when i could play it. Now i'm all for quality in titles and blah blah bla you damn iD fanboys but after two frickin' years if it's not ready yet i doubt it ever will be. Besides if they truely have such great community support you know patch would come quick. I'm saying right now they aren't showing much love for a faithful community which has patiently waited 2 years and are still being fed the it's done when it's done line. I'm saying i'm sick of it and how secretive they're being by not letting their community even play what they've got by now. Being coy was entertaining at first but this really is enough

i guess it's you who doesn't get the point. you defend EA for releasing one crap buggy game after another. bf2142 is out for half a year and you already want to switch to another game? doesn't that tell you something? QW is designed to last longer, so give them time, it'll be totally worth it. SD succeeded with ET, they'll do the same with QW :)

and regarding your reference to "community": this must exactly mean you, mustn't it? :rolleyes:

[Pseudo]

i guess it's you who doesn't get the point. you defend EA for releasing one crap buggy game after another. bf2142 is out for half a year and you already want to switch to another game? doesn't that tell you something? QW is designed to last longer, so give them time, it'll be totally worth it. SD succeeded with ET, they'll do the same with QW :)

and regarding your reference to "community": this must exactly mean you, mustn't it? :rolleyes:

Game better last long, its taking long enough to create. :p

[=CK=vanguard]

I think the most important thing is that this game is done right now that will take time to iron problems out and if we have a few set backs fine as long as when its released the support does not stop there most games die within the first year with out dev and community support which i think id/splash/acti have been saying in interviews that they will work on the game even after release to get things right like demo recording etc so i have good feelings about this being maybe as good as the hype unlike most EA/DICE hype which didn't live up much(not just bf series).

[sponge]

I believe Locki said it best when he said (paraphrased) "If we were making a game that took place entirely in a desert setting, and was just capturing flags, then we'd be done in 2 years."

[urwathrtz]

lol, couldnt agree more. BF2 SF was the worst £20 I spent, ever.

Your right, SF was a gigantic steaming poop. I remember when I brought it home and the "EA" logo wouldn't come up until I loaded to latest patch, right out of the box, brand new. I used it for target practice in the back yard after that.

[2112(AWG)]

A friend of mine (in the industry) made a quote one day that I really felt was honest when talking about EA.

"EA isn't shipping games they are shipping products"

Any true blue game development house that does very well seems to have a passion for their title, the community, and for the future. The word passion is very lacking when looking over at the studios at EA. Granted EA is huge and I'm sure many enjoy working there. Nonetheless I do doubt if there is much passion rolling around the office. Only passion I suspect they have is the all mighty dollar which is business I understand. But I will never understand these companies who can't see the larger picture in that if you support your community and give them quality content. They will keep buying. I find their booster pack program had great ideas behind it. Lets face it cut out the packaging costs, shipping costs, and what not. But when taking what content they gave us I sit there amazed.

If you refer to my topic Keys to Success you will see both my views as well as others on how one becomes a success and makes money. Any rate keep things nice and don't hit to far below the belt as there are 100% some great people working over at the offices of EA. Frankly they are doing what a lot of us do and that is earn a dollar. Its those in control who we really need to wonder about. Do they have passion for games or for products that make them money?

[CodE-E]

<--- EA hater since 2003.

EA make makes games for the ca$hmoneys, not because they love games. All the great games are made by developers who truly love making and playing games.

[Sadistic_AnGeL]

<--- EA hater since 2003.

EA make makes games for the ca$hmoneys, not because they love games. All the great games are made by developers who truly love making and playing games.

I know what your saying but if those developers are marketing a game commercially they should take a time frame for release into account, or if they insist on making us wait they should at least not starve us for information so much. If it takes so long to make alot of the hype can die in that time and they should be pouring out media & info about etqw to keep interest alive, nobody can disagree with me on that one.

[Hawk2]

I dont know why it bothers you so much, id rather wait a few extra months to have a game that is just that much better than a game that could have allot of the rough corners taken off. Just suck it up and wait ;p

[isendel]

I know what your saying but if those developers are marketing a game commercially they should take a time frame for release into account, or if they insist on making us wait they should at least not starve us for information so much. If it takes so long to make alot of the hype can die in that time and they should be pouring out media & info about etqw to keep interest alive, nobody can disagree with me on that one.

get off your high horse and be patient like the rest of us

they dont tell us much now because we would still bitch and moan about the game not being released even if they were providing us with regular updates about game progress. not having to provide information on every little change also makes it easier for them to do their job, since they can add/remove things as needed, without having to explain their reasoning to the general public

if splash wanted to get more hype generated, they know what to do. its better to generate hype closer to release than early in development anyways

[Pseudo]

get off your high horse and be patient like the rest of us

they dont tell us much now because we would still bitch and moan about the game not being released even if they were providing us with regular updates about game progress. not having to provide information on every little change also makes it easier for them to do their job, since they can add/remove things as needed, without having to explain their reasoning to the general public

if splash wanted to get more hype generated, they know what to do. its better to generate hype closer to release than early in development anyways

Well get off of your dumb horse.

Santa Monica, CA – May 16, 2005 – id Software™ and Activision, Inc. (Nasdaq: ATVI) today announced the development of ENEMY TERRITORY: QUAKE WARS™

I think its safe to say early development has come and gone.

Facts aside I think its better to hype while building the game, and go quite before the release. Simply because by then most gamers forget what was promised to them and focus more on playing the newly released game.

[Moncealyo]

ea ate my sandwich

[b0rsuk]

Note that when ID Software calls a game 'done' , it is indeed done. Very very stable, solid, elegantly programmed, flexible, powerful, not to mention fun.

[isendel]

Well get off of your dumb horse.

Santa Monica, CA – May 16, 2005 – id Software™ and Activision, Inc. (Nasdaq: ATVI) today announced the development of ENEMY TERRITORY: QUAKE WARS™

I think its safe to say early development has come and gone.

Facts aside I think its better to hype while building the game, and go quite before the release. Simply because by then most gamers forget what was promised to them and focus more on playing the newly released game.

i did not say that the game is still in early development. what i stated was that it is better to release info closer to release, and while it certainly is closer (as the game is now in beta), we still do not know when it will be released

the best time to start the hype is right when the game goes gold, and before it hits stores. start too early and itll fizzle (whether due to lost interest or failure to meet expectations) and you run the risk of running out of things to show

people who buy a game based on whats promised will not easily forget those promises when it doesnt deliver - its better to not promise such things at all, which is one thing that slow news releases does prevent

[Kurayamino]

I feel peoples pain with the EA thing, I cant even contact support because there support page wont allow me to log in. The forums you dont get answers on unless its some half baked attempted from an admin that hasnt a clue. But I do enjoy played BF2142 and enjoyed play BF2.

[LCPL Tristan]

IGN and EB said ETQW comes out June 5, 2007! Second Battlefield sucks anyways no one talks in them, storyline is an WTF, and if 2142 takes place in the year 2142 how come the only advance technology in the game is the smallest battleships and helicopters with no blades?

[LTF_Savage]

This must be the 10th thread I've seen in forums concerning release date...
And all of them are negative......Too bad, I prefer to encourage the guys at SD for making sure it's right the 1st time.
Some ppl act as tho thier owed something...

[urwathrtz]

ea ate my sandwich

Friggin' sandwich eatin' jerks....

[mf-]

I liked battlefield 1942... haha. aww i feel lonely.

[Sadistic_AnGeL]

wats wrong with 1942. it was a unique idea for its day:)

[Jundy]

1942 got pwnd big time by BF2....... YES for real MAN!!!

[Buzz]

Sadistic, what do you prefer; a compagny that give
quality and respect to its customers or one that will
have marketing politcs that takes you for granted,
thinking that you are anyway soooo bored that you'll buy
anything ....

A Compagny that consider its fans and customers like shit
giving unfinished games, making uncomplete patches for
the only pupose of making modders life difficult while
there main focus is to sell more and more addons (like
2142 is for BF2...)

I dont have anything against the fact that games
publishers are there for the business. In fact i consider
that gaming is still one of the cheapest hobbys that there
is right now.

The reason why I hate EA and why the only games that I'll
get from them will be **** is that they consider gamers as
granted, with no respect, forgetting that the roots of gaming
is modding.

I'll be more then happy to buy everthing that comes from
a compagny respecting its market and its fans like its seems
to be the case for SD and ID

[Stektr33]

I see a ton of people trashing EA on this forum but I'd like to remind people, at least EA tells us when their games are. Like f***in s**t! grow some balls and tell us when etqw is comin' out.

(I know all the fanboys are about to flame me on this board)

not the fanboy talking in me, but ive been in software development for 8 years (both for a small shop, in a medium shop, and consulted for large corporations)... when EA gives you a date, that's the corporate talking in them. they want $$$, $$$, and more $$$, and that's all they care about. nothing wrong with that, except when you go down the ladder to the actual projects, you are now possibly combining crappy devs, poor specs, inadequeate testing, poor project management and the tight dealines. all that, of course is speculation, but the point is that, corporate doesn't care.. and the reason why EA gets such a bad rap is because it leaves a bad taste in people's mouths when they play a buggy game that requires 4 patches in 4 months and having paid their hard earned dollars on it. they realize that they have chucked away $50 to a company that doesn't care (as much) about the gaming experience and 'well-being' of their valued customers (the gamers).. but instead only care about churning out as many games as possible. but, that's corporate for you. so be very glad that you have a set of companies here that are willing to put in the time and effort to polish the game as much as they can.
and mind you not, unless you're writing a hello world application, you're always going to have bugs.. the trick is to minimize it, not eliminate it.

[frankieg]

This thread is hillarious!!! Yeah ea tells you when their game is coming out even when the beta will be but what they don't tell you is how much of a chunk of shart they are and that you will have to pay to be in the beta and then pay for the huge dissapointment that is 2142.It doesn't matter that that sd hasn't released the date they are putting the game out because all of us know that they are working on the thing so it won't be shit when it comes out.

[daedalis]

I'd rather wait and have a finished game then play EA half-a$$ed games, sorry but I'm not happy with bugs and crashes constantly.

Developers/Publishers don't have to tell you jack sh!t "when it's done" so get over it and wait it out.

[joshpig]

trust me ea is no better, they rush and do crap jobs let id do this an it will be superb, give it time

[Hakuryu]

I'll give a great example of why EA sucks... Need for Speed Carbon.

All the cars are on the game disc, but you must pay EA to unlock some of them individually. I'll never buy another EA game, or any other company (Sony, etc) that pulls this kind of crap. Sell you a game (full price) and then make you pay extra to use parts of it == my money going to something else.

[Sadistic_AnGeL]

agreed, carbon was shit

[Sadistic_AnGeL]

Sadistic, what do you prefer; a compagny that give
quality and respect to its customers or one that will
have marketing politcs that takes you for granted,
thinking that you are anyway soooo bored that you'll buy
anything ....

A Compagny that consider its fans and customers like shit
giving unfinished games, making uncomplete patches for
the only pupose of making modders life difficult while
there main focus is to sell more and more addons (like
2142 is for BF2...)

I dont have anything against the fact that games
publishers are there for the business. In fact i consider
that gaming is still one of the cheapest hobbys that there
is right now.

The reason why I hate EA and why the only games that I'll
get from them will be **** is that they consider gamers as
granted, with no respect, forgetting that the roots of gaming
is modding.

I'll be more then happy to buy everthing that comes from
a compagny respecting its market and its fans like its seems
to be the case for SD and ID

I'm not saying EA's any good. I'm not saying their products are worth half wat you pay for them. I'm saying that they give us dates and acheive them. SD doesn't respect us enough for even an estimate. It's not professional. Say you work as a newspaper journalist. You have a date to get something done so readers can read it. You cant go to your boss and say, "it'll be done when it's done, and I don't care how long it takes me, f*** your deadline"

[Joe999]

I'm not saying EA's any good. I'm not saying their products are worth half wat you pay for them. I'm saying that they give us dates and acheive them. SD doesn't respect us enough for even an estimate. It's not professional. Say you work as a newspaper journalist. You have a date to get something done so readers can read it. You cant go to your boss and say, "it'll be done when it's done, and I don't care how long it takes me, f*** your deadline"

what you write makes absolutely no sense.

On the one hand you praise EA for their kept dates, on the other hand you bash about their unfinished games? SD does respect us, they give a game that's worth the money, quality game creation takes as long as it takes. THAT is professional. And game creation is absolutely not comparable to newspaper journalism, i wonder how you can draw any connection here?

[InsideTheAsylum]

EA, unlike smaller software shops, at the end of the day is just a business. The people they're catering to is not the gamers, but their investors and stock holders. I'm sure they have a team of accountants who understand how the fanboys work -- they can calculate what optimum pile of steaming poo to push out in what interval with what unfinished features to get the max profit.

[space]

I'm not saying EA's any good. I'm not saying their products are worth half wat you pay for them. I'm saying that they give us dates and acheive them. SD doesn't respect us enough for even an estimate. It's not professional. Say you work as a newspaper journalist. You have a date to get something done so readers can read it. You cant go to your boss and say, "it'll be done when it's done, and I don't care how long it takes me, f*** your deadline"

Releasing a crappy title on time is not an acheivement.

SD does respect us enough.. they will give us an estimate when they are ready. You need to show them some respect. Not the other way around.

Your analogy sucks. Let's use something that applies.. like say.. automakers. You don't have an auto designer releasing a shit car becuase of a deadline, they wait and produce a car that meets all the regulations (safety emissions etc) before releasing it to the public. You do not rush and release a car that does not adhere to the standard because (unfortunalty it isn't the same for releasing a sub standard game) you won't be allowed to sell it if it dosn't meet regulations.

id dosn't have SD on a deadline. Actually thier 'deadline' is 'when the game is good enough for id to feel it can be released' (best damn deadline I've ever heard)

So if you want a POS ford probe, keep complaining, if you want the latest Ferrari just wait.

[Joe999]

I see a ton of people trashing EA on this forum but I'd like to remind people, at least EA tells us when their games are. Like f***in s**t! grow some balls and tell us when etqw is comin' out.

(I know all the fanboys are about to flame me on this board)

maybe you understand this better:

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