Good graphic card?

[PoisonedV]

I have been searching for a cheap graphic card to replace my Nvidiea 6100, is this good? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122023
I would like to be able to play games such as TES4 even if its on lowest settings.

[murka10]

id suggest ati x1950 but thats cheaper(but i dont know the performance of nvidia)

[NoControl]

Don't buy that 8500GT, it's pretty much crap. 1950Pro would be nice, or if you cant afford it, then 7600GT.

[Zhou]

given the choice I'd go 8800gs all the way, you should be able to get a serious amount of graphics power for a pretty small cost, one of those would likely allow you to play tes4 at medium-high graphics

[Mordenkainen]

Unless you need a new card NOW, wait until the R600 ships which will likely drive the prices down for everything else.

[daze]

http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=45DW&SearchType=1&SearchTerms=7600gt&PageMode=3&SearchKey=All&SearchMode=All&NavigationKey=0

brought that the other week. preety cheap too. and got sum alright reviews, looking to run 2 in SLI

[Laronzo]

Hm, tbh the 8500 is pretty sucky. I'd suggest something from the top half of the Nvidia7 Series.

Laronzo. :)

[jammie_d]

I would get a 6800gt. Hey! You can have mine! All I need for it is a mere £500 ;)

[PoisonedV]

Well thanks, I'm either going to buy 7600 gt or 8800 after the r600 ships to get them cheaper, but I don't even know if my computer can run them or can even change graphics cards. I have a Emachines t3312, here are the stats:

CPU: AMD Sempron™ 3300+ Processor
(2GHz, 1600MHz system bus, 128KB L2 cache)
Operating System: Genuine Microsoft® Windows® XP Home (SP2)
Chipset: NVIDIA® nForce™® 410
Memory: 512MB DDR(upgraded to 768) (1 × 512MB), 400MHz (PC3200)
Expandable to 2GB
Hard Drive: 80GB (7200rpm, 2MB cache)
Optical Drive: 48x CD-RW/DVD combo drive
Media Reader: 8-in-1 digital media manager (Secure Digital™ (SD), Smart Media, Micro Drive, Memory Stick®, Memory Stick Pro®, Compact Flash, Mulitimedia Card, USB 2.0)
Video: NVIDIA® GeForce® 6100 GPU
up to 128MB of shared memory
PCI-Express® (PCI-E x16) slot available
Sound: 6-channel (5.1) AC '97 audio
Network: 10/100Mbps integrated Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port)
Modem: 56K ITU V.92-ready fax/modem (RJ-11 port)
Peripherals: Standard multifunction keyboard, 2-button wheel mouse, amplified stereo speakers
Ports/Other: 5 USB 2.0 ports (1 in media reader, 4 in back), 1 VGA external connector, 1 serial port, 1 parallel port, 2 PS/2 ports (keyboard and mouse), 5 audio ports (2 in front, 3 in back)
Dimensions: 14.25" (H) x 7.25" (W) x 16" (D)
Weight: 22.5 lbs

[jammie_d]

CPU: AMD Sempron™ 3300+ Processor
Memory: 512MB DDR(upgraded to 768) (1 × 512MB), 400MHz (PC3200)
Expandable to 2GB
Video: NVIDIA® GeForce® 6100 GPU
PCI-Express® (PCI-E x16) slot available


Your PC will work with a PCI-Express card, which is a good thing. However, you will still get a major bottleneck in performance. I would suggest getting more memory ASAP, and then eventually a faster processor.
Don't expect perfect performance from the new GPU straight away. Your PC will need those little upgrades first before you can unleash the GPU's power.

[Martijn]

You have really less memory. The best thing you can do is upgrade it to 2 gb. Youre proc should be enough.

[jammie_d]

You have really less memory. The best thing you can do is upgrade it to 2 gb. Youre proc should be enough.

If need be, 1gb will also be enough. While 2gb will eventually be required by most games, you will get away with 1gb for quite some time. Plus, more money saved :D

[Martijn]

A little bit more memory can helps the processor a little bit becouse that is not the strongets one

(So he can more load in his mem and not in his swap)

[Moncealyo]

I'd get the pinto but thats just me.

[frankieg]

definetly need to upgrade the whole system.Right now the only thing thats holding me back is my processor.P4 2.8 is the thing killing me i need a nice new conroe 2.13 but still having a crappy processor i have 2 gigs of ram and a 7950 gt and get about 90 frames on bf2 with everything on low and on medium i get about 70 so it's not too bad

[L33t Masta]

Grab an 8800GTX. It's worth the price.

[GoEz]

I just picked up an 8800GTS, and its been working out well for me

[JiggaJigga]

HAHAHAH. Dude that video card is probably 3 years old. It wouldn't run Quake Wars very well. If you want a good video card to run it on High, Everything over the Nvidea 7300 LE should run it on high. Everything below that should run it on medium.

Then everything below the x800 will probably run it on low. The x800 should get at least to medium, maybe with shaders off or something. That's just an educational guess since It can run Quake 4 and Doom 3 pretty well.

[fusen]

in my price bracket the best performance to money for me was the 1950 pro

which I bought a couple weeks ago :]

[Anarchy]

I'll get myself a 8800GTS 320MB shortly before ETQW is released :) Currently i've got a 7900GS which is enough to play but i want the quality @ max. settings

[L33t Masta]

The 8800gts is too underpowered

[Anarchy]

The 8800gts is too underpowered
For what ? The only cards that are faster than the GTS are the GTX and Ultra.

To fully utilise the GTX/Ultra you'll need a monitor with a resolution of 1920 or more.

[L33t Masta]

I have a gtx with a 1680 x 1050 res and it works great. The gts isnt worth the money when for $200 more you can have a faster GTX which will last much longer.

[fusen]

"for $200 more"

because everyone has $200 just sitting there

¬.¬

[=[ETw]= MARLOS]

PNY VCG88GTSXPB GeForce 8800GTS 640MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card

http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=12474&category_id=256&manufacturer_id=0&tid=pv-t80g-ghf4

[L33t Masta]

= MARLOS;10878']PNY VCG88GTSXPB GeForce 8800GTS 640MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card

http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=12474&category_id=256&manufacturer_id=0&tid=pv-t80g-ghf4

Wrong link. You linked to the 320 MB version it seems.

[NoControl]

I have a gtx with a 1680 x 1050 res and it works great. The gts isnt worth the money when for $200 more you can have a faster GTX which will last much longer.

GTS has much better price/cost ratio than GTX, and it will run every game available easily, if you don't go super high resolutions. GTX is uber card if you can afford it and your cpu isn't too slow, but for most the GTS is more than enough.

[b0rsuk]

If we're talking about bang per buck, have a look at 7900 GS . It beats 8600 GTS in most games, including Quake 4, Fear, Company of Heroes, Supreme Commander if I remember correctly. And it's significantly cheaper.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/04/17/nvidia_geforce_8600_gts/12.html

[L33t Masta]

GTS has much better price/cost ratio than GTX, and it will run every game available easily, if you don't go super high resolutions. GTX is uber card if you can afford it and your cpu isn't too slow, but for most the GTS is more than enough.



I take that as a joke. Not everyone is swimming in cash.

The GTX is $200 more. If you're going to upgrade your GFX card why buy a card thats only going to last 6 months? Why not buy the one that will last 2 years?

And that really wasn't a joke. $200 isn't alot of money.

[NoControl]

Maybe 200 isn't much for you, but it will be for most, especially if they don't want to spend all their moeny on hardware. And GTS will last way more than 6 months, it's 2nd fastest card atm, and some people are playing with 3 year old cards without a problem.

[Mr.Cripples]

hmmmm... If I was you, id sell that pc and buy a new one, you should get a new CPU, more ram, and a better videocard, the system you have now will barely run QW on low settings, upgrading ur CPU, ram, and GPU for about $400-500 will result in playing Quake Wars at High settings

[SniperSteve]

get the 8800GTS. 320 MB version. It's a nice card.

[LTF_Savage]

I just bought two 7600GS' 512mb for the SLI sys I'm building. $200 for the 2 of them at TigerDirect. I'm trying to keep costs down on this initial build, so I've been buying from Ebay/Tiger/NewEgg.
I settled for the medium cards so that I can get the system built,( I'm one of those who DO NOT have an extra $200 lying around), will upgrade the cards at a later date.
If you shop around, good deals can be found on the web.
I just bought a Pent D945 3.4g 800mhz dual core (new in box) on Ebay for $99.
And an ASUS PN5-E SLI mobo (new in box) on Ebay for $114.

[Ticker]

Well yea. They should. It's not like $200 is alot of money.

Unless you're a rich kid or adult making 50+k a year (In Quebec anyway, thanks to taxes), 200$ is still the equivalent of one big grocery that will last a full week and a half for 2 people that eat well, or it pays at least 2 utility bills... It's not a LOT of money, but it's not "just 200$" either. If I can save 200$ on the purchase of a single piece of hardware, I will unless it REALLY does make a difference in performance.

Now, 50-60$, THAT is not a lot of money... so if you tell me "If you pay 60$ more you get better performance", then I'd pay it... but 200$ is almost 50% of the card's price!

[DiecastV]

This is the card for me I like it and its the only thing I can pay for LOL . http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3041061&CatId=1560

[Axz]

Quality/price = 8800 gts 320 mb

[L33t Masta]

Yet the 320 MB 8800GTS won't even play Quake 4 on Ultra settings. it's not worth it. If you want a decent card, you're going to want the GTX.

[urwathrtz]

I have been searching for a cheap graphic card to replace my Nvidiea 6100, is this good? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122023
I would like to be able to play games such as TES4 even if its on lowest settings.

Just to run that card with your current system your probably gonna need a bigger PSU, and more Ram. Sounds like you should get a new box, which sucks because that costs money.

[NoControl]

Yet the 320 MB 8800GTS won't even play Quake 4 on Ultra settings. it's not worth it. If you want a decent card, you're going to want the GTX.

http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=4689&s=4
Damn, your right, only 68fps(74 OC) 1280*, 16x AF and Ultra settings :rolleyes:

So could you just keep your mouth shut if you don't know what you're talking about. Even if it costs over 200$ less than GTX, doesn't mean it's not good, GTS has BEST price/performance ratio from current cards.

[Javert]

Unless you need a new card NOW, wait until the R600 ships which will likely drive the prices down for everything else.

When is that going to happen? I'm curious myself.

[NoControl]

Supposedly to be released next week.

[GENETX]

Dont spend too much!

The 8500 you selected is good enough I think, also the 7600GT could be good or an 7900GS. I would recommend NVIDIA because of the better OpenGL performance. The 3D rendering ETQW uses!

I would not get an 8800 card as said here, why? Because your PC cannot handle it. Your PC is just cheap budget in my eyes. It will run ETQW fine with a better GFX, but don't spend too much. If you would get an 8800, you would also need an Dualcore CPU and 2GB to make actual use of it's potential.

I have myself an Asus A6T laptop which could be compared on some points.
My CPU is an Dualcore AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-52 runnign @ 1.6GHz with 2x 512KB just like yours, but then dualcore. My ram was 1GB or 2GB, don't know when I tested this. Videocard: GF Go 7600, below 8500 or 7600GT. I could run it easily on High (Quake4)!

So now comes the great thing: I tested this on Quake4 which has Dualcore Support, but you can turn it off. Since I wanted to see the difference I've tested it. Then I saw a huge drop in FPS when I didn't use dualcore support. My CPU in singlecore is exact the same as yours.

So a too high GFX would really make your CPU or RAM a bottleneck! I think an 7600GS would be even enough which is comparable to my GF Go 7600.

[NoControl]

I'm sorry, I don't see YOU with a faster rig than Mine and I don't see YOU with an 8800GTX and I also don't see YOU getting more FPS than me in games. Why don't you shut your mouth because it is obvious you do not know what YOUR are talkign about. If you want to talk smack about my knowledge I suggest you get an 8800GTX YOURSELF and then make an accurate judgement on it. You do not have one. I Do. The 8800GTX IS NOT worth the price when for $200 more you can get a video card that will last you approx 2x longer and still be able to hold it's own weight. This 320 bullcrap is nonsense. Even high end video cards need 512 to run Quake 4 on Ultra. It says so ON THE FREAKING GAME SETTINGS MENU.

What's your problem, really? No need to yell.

Have you tested 320mb GTS with Q4? The benchmark clearly shows that it can run Ultra settings pretty well, and it has 16x AF too. "320mb version is bullcrap", you really don't know anything, it's more than enough to play latest games, and even tho it has "low" amount of ram, if you don't do high resolutions(1600+, depending on game) it will give good to excellent performance, and it's cheap. GTX has worse price/performance ratio, and anyone who knows about video cards knows it. Ofcourse if you can afford it, it's a good choice, but for most it's too expensive.

And GTX doesn't last 2x longer than GTS. Also you did typo there "8800GTX IS NOT worth the price when for $200 more you can get a video card that will last you approx 2x longer" :D

Get your facts right before your next post, please.

[L33t Masta]

What's your problem, really? No need to yell.

Have you tested 320mb GTS with Q4? The benchmark clearly shows that it can run Ultra settings pretty well, and it has 16x AF too. "320mb version is bullcrap", you really don't know anything, it's more than enough to play latest games, and even tho it has "low" amount of ram, if you don't do high resolutions(1600+, depending on game) it will give good to excellent performance, and it's cheap. GTX has worse price/performance ratio, and anyone who knows about video cards knows it. Ofcourse if you can afford it, it's a good choice, but for most it's too expensive.

And GTX doesn't last 2x longer than GTS. Also you did typo there "8800GTX IS NOT worth the price when for $200 more you can get a video card that will last you approx 2x longer" :D

Get your facts right before your next post, please.

I got my facts right. The 8800GTX IS WORTH the extra $200. demanding games like Crysis and Shadowrun, not to mention Hellgate London will not run on high even on low resolutions on a 320 MB 8800GTS. It is NOT cost effective. Unless you want to play your future games on medium settings then I would advise an 8800GTX. And no, I wasn't stupid enough to buy a GTS. I went all out and bought the GOOD video card.

[NoControl]

You really are dumb. No use trying to talk sense to people like you, they just don't listen to anyone, and think they know everything.

You haven't played those games, you don't know how they will perform, and yet you are telling me how they run. And i said GTX is worth it if you can buy it, but not everyone is spoiled kid who gets all they want.

Also it's funny that you don't even believe in benchmarks. Do i need to come to your place with pc that has GTS, and play games in front of you?

[L33t Masta]

You really are dumb. No use trying to talk sense to people like you, they just don't listen to anyone, and think they know everything.

You haven't played those games, you don't know how they will perform, and yet you are telling me how they run. And i said GTX is worth it if you can buy it, but not everyone is spoiled kid who gets all they want.

Also it's funny that you don't even believe in benchmarks. Do i need to come to your place with pc that has GTS, and play games in front of you?

People like you who don't listen to people like me just lead to people being that much more uninformed. I actually own an 8800GTX. And I DID play in the Shadowrun Beta. Right now, if you want a decent video card that will last, get an 8800gtx. It may cost a little bit extra but it is well worth it. And benchmarks these days are so bias that I never listen to them anymore. It's all about who pays who more money. Which company they like more. I go by hard specs and a realistic approach. The 8800GTX also has more unified shaders, a 320 bit interface as opposed to the GTX's 384bit and the rest of the details can be seen here on this chart:

http://i2.neoseeker.com/a/bfg8800gts/chart1.jpg

As you can see, the 8800GTX is much better and well worth the money you would spend on it, as opposed to buying an 8800GTS and then having to upgrade it later to probably an 8800GTX. So listen kid, you put up a good fight, but the specs are right there, and the point has been made. The 8800GTS is slow compared to the 8800GTX and it's not worth the money when for $200 more you can get a GTX which offers far superior hardware and performance.

[Zeus.:God]

Don't buy that 8500GT, it's pretty much crap. 1950Pro would be nice, or if you cant afford it, then 7600GT.

Ummm, no. The best option right now would be to go with that 8500 or 8600, because they are DirectX 10 cards. The 1950 Pro is an outdated card, and probably won't be worth the money with ATi's new cards coming out. And the 7600GT is total crap. Easily the worst cards ever made by NVidia. My BFG 6600 OC (512MB) rules that card. The 7600GT just does not have the power.

I guess that may have been a typo, and you meant the 8600GT, and that would be the way to go on a budget.

I personally recommend the 8800GTS OC2 (640MB) from BFG.

[Zeus.:God]

Yeah, I wouldn't wait on buyin' a new graphics card if you are waiting for the R600... The 8800GTS 640MB out performs the HD 2900XTX.

I'm going to rebuild my system with 2 BFG 8800GTS OC2 cards.

For those saying that the 8800GTS is crap, you are a total retard. The GTS has a much higher bang to buck ratio. You can spend the 200 extra dollars, for a performance increase that's not worth it, where you could get 2 8800GTS cards for the price of 1 8800 Ultra and it would out perform that as well.

[Zeus.:God]

People like you who don't listen to people like me just lead to people being that much more uninformed. I actually own an 8800GTX. And I DID play in the Shadowrun Beta. Right now, if you want a decent video card that will last, get an 8800gtx. It may cost a little bit extra but it is well worth it. And benchmarks these days are so bias that I never listen to them anymore. It's all about who pays who more money. Which company they like more. I go by hard specs and a realistic approach. The 8800GTX also has more unified shaders, a 320 bit interface as opposed to the GTX's 384bit and the rest of the details can be seen here on this chart:

http://i2.neoseeker.com/a/bfg8800gts/chart1.jpg

As you can see, the 8800GTX is much better and well worth the money you would spend on it, as opposed to buying an 8800GTS and then having to upgrade it later to probably an 8800GTX. So listen kid, you put up a good fight, but the specs are right there, and the point has been made. The 8800GTS is slow compared to the 8800GTX and it's not worth the money when for $200 more you can get a GTX which offers far superior hardware and performance.

Yeah, not really worth the price. The performance increases on the 8800 GTX are not really that much.

http://livedeviant.com/graphic-cards/review-8800gtx-vs.-8800gts-on-both-intel-and-amd.html

Take a look at that. Now, you will notice that the GTX gets a constantly higher framerate, but anything above 60FPS is totally pointless, because the human eye can only take in information at the equivalent of 60FPS, therefore, you won't see much, if any, difference at all. Not to mention, that for a little over the cost of one high quality 8800GTX, you can get 2 8800GTS cards that will run circles around the GTX all day long.

[b0rsuk]

From the article:

Keep in mind that the GTX version is very much costly, ie around 70% more than GTS Card but performs only 30% more on an average.

Says it all, really.

[L33t Masta]

From the article:
Says it all, really.

The article lies. I will quote myself " And benchmarks these days are so bias that I never listen to them anymore. It's all about who pays who more money. Which company they like more." This includes if they want to sell the cheap vid cards to people so they will be forced to upgrade sooner to an 8800GTX anyway thus making them pay twice.

[NoControl]

Ummm, no. The best option right now would be to go with that 8500 or 8600, because they are DirectX 10 cards. The 1950 Pro is an outdated card, and probably won't be worth the money with ATi's new cards coming out. And the 7600GT is total crap. Easily the worst cards ever made by NVidia. My BFG 6600 OC (512MB) rules that card. The 7600GT just does not have the power.

I guess that may have been a typo, and you meant the 8600GT, and that would be the way to go on a budget.

I personally recommend the 8800GTS OC2 (640MB) from BFG.


No typo, i meant 7600GT, it's still decent card if your on low budget. The new mid-range nVidia cards are dissapointments, 8600GTS is slower than my 7900GT, GT model is just a bit faster than 7600GT, and 8500GT is on par wth 7600GS. Those cards just don't have enough shader units and 128-bit memory bandwith isn't enough.

And to LeetMasta, you don't have anything to prove what your are saying, atleast i have benchmarks, but you are just saying what you think is right, even tho you haven't seen any of those statements proven anywhere.

[b0rsuk]

I don't agree about 7600 GT. It's the card I wanted to buy a while ago... until I've seen price and performance of 7900 GS. 7900 GS is just a bit more expensive and a great deal faster. Only drawback is that it drains more power and may be bigger/louder, I don't remember.
Compared to mid-range 8600 cards, 7600 GT is quite good. In many games, like OpenGL based Prey, Quake4, Doom3 , 7600 GT is about as good or slightly better than 8600 GT. Perverted if you ask me.

[NoControl]

7900GS is good too, 1950Pro is bit better, but in QW nVidia is better as it has better OpenGL support.

[fusen]

Going through this thread all I can see is complete mud slinging with different facts being chucked left and right and twisted to try and prove someone is wrong.

"leet master" if all you are looking at is the numbers printed on the data sheets and ignoring REAL WORLD benchmarks then you are clearly deluded.

not all games run exactly the same on every single card, and not all games use all the power from cards then you also have drivers involved with optimization. Just because you are paranoid that you wont believe benchmarks isn't our fault. And we know that you have a 8800GTX, you keep repeating it every other line, just because you have the best card out atm doesn't mean you know everything about every gfx card out and it also don't mean people with less money aren't wise for choosing the best card in their price bracket.

This thread should be locked as it won't actually get anywhere except turn into a personal insult thread.