How to (not) use the tormentor

[MiiQ]

Click here to watch (http://youtube.com/watch?v=EJUAsySxoMY)

Enjoy! :D

[Ifurita]

Nice. - blah blah blah blah -

[murka10]

nice... used keyboard/mouse or joystick? im trying to use my joystick but i have trouble, i used it in crimson skies where there were planes but i have no skill with it in here, good place to learn :oppressor:

[*goo]

Some nifty flying there mate, well done.

I'm still toying with it to get the flying sorted never mind shoot things!

Silly question, how do you fire before your weaponse reloaded fully? I've noticed your bar's not full before you let another strocket go.

[Ifurita]

he's changing weapons

[b0rsuk]

:-|

It cuts a bit too often for my taste. Maybe it's just me but it looks like you're flying quite high and not too fast. And no gunner.

[MiiQ]

nice... used keyboard/mouse or joystick?

Just keyboard/mouse.

Silly question, how do you fire before your weaponse reloaded fully? I've noticed your bar's not full before you let another strocket go.

I'm changing between 3 and 2, strockets and plasma cannon.

It cuts a bit too often for my taste. Maybe it's just me but it looks like you're flying quite high and not too fast. And no gunner.

Gunners are useless.
I cut the video often to make myself look good :cool: I really bump into things and get shot very often. And I also wanted to get as much action as I could into 1 song.

[CarbonFire]

Gunners are useless.

Quoted for truth.

The gunner position on the Tormentor is THE most useless weapon on the battlefield. No splash, no zoom, and this on a vehicle that will be picked out of the sky easily if you stand still for more than a few seconds.

Its almost akin to having a second gunner seat in the Cyclops that could only do a meelee attack on Tanks. Sure, you could probably kill someone with it eventually, but it would put the vehicle in serious danger of being destroyed most of the time.

[b0rsuk]

What's wrong with gunner ? Hyperblaster is a hitscan weapon unlike in Q2, right ? And supposedly a strong one. And with 360 degree rotation.

[Sambsu]

I have been gunner couple of times and it's really difficult to aim at anything because the thing just moves/tilts too quickly.

[CarbonFire]

What's wrong with gunner ? Hyperblaster is a hitscan weapon unlike in Q2, right ? And supposedly a strong one. And with 360 degree rotation.

Its not really about the damage, its about accuracy and movement. Its harder to be accurate when flying up in the air and having to deal with the pixelated view, even if the Tormentor is flying perfectly level. If you get close to a target, sure, the gun becomes more useful, but it also puts the Tormentor in a much riskier place, as small arms fire will eat it up very quickly nearer to the ground. The rest of the time, the tormentor is just moving too much to get any sort of consistent fire on any one target.

Its not the gun, its the platform its on. A stationary Tormentor = dead Tormentor in most cases. And if you are stationary, and no one's shooting you out of the sky, then either a) the other team has nothing but newbie players on it, or B) you've been deemed a non-threat, so no one's bothering to shoot you down.

[chiizu]

Nice flying. I can also fly the Tormentor and shoot very well. However, for some reason I can't access the Plasma Cannon in the cockpit and it only lets me swap between Strockets and Hyperblaster. Anyone else having this problem?

[CarbonFire]

Nice flying. I can also fly the Tormentor and shoot very well. However, for some reason I can't access the Plasma Cannon in the cockpit and it only lets me swap between Strockets and Hyperblaster. Anyone else having this problem?

Its a bug that plagues all the multi-seat vehicles (except the Armadillo and Hog, afaik). It really is Plasma Cannon and Strocket, but for some reason it sometimes swaps the weapon names with the secondary seat. And just like the Desecrater, the Primary gun also fires the secondary, though I'm not sure its intentional or that it does any damage.

[Uno]

anyone whose not terrible in the tank will rape you

[MiiQ]

anyone whose not terrible in the tank will rape you

That happened off-screen yes :D + I destroy 3 titans in that video.

[chiizu]

The annoying thing about taking a tank one on one is that they can take you down with a single shot. In order to take them down, you have to constantly maneuver so they don't get in firing range in addition to the large number of shots you have to make in order to take them down. If you get hit once, it's over for you and they get to happily repair their vehicle while you wait for spawn.

[MiiQ]

The annoying thing about taking a tank one on one is that they can take you down with a single shot. In order to take them down, you have to constantly maneuver so they don't get in firing range in addition to the large number of shots you have to make in order to take them down. If you get hit once, it's over for you and they get to happily repair their vehicle while you wait for spawn.

True. Once you get lvl 4 vehicle, you will be able to take 2 tank shots, but that doesn't happen often.

[CarbonFire]

anyone whose not terrible in the tank will rape you
True, good tank drivers are a serious threat. But one-on-one, you can engage the tank on your own terms, using the advantages you have, including speed, height control and cover.
Doesn't work all the time, but it does give the Tormentor a fighting chance. Against multiple hostiles, it of course is much more difficult. That's when you get to see if you can muster real skill and real teamwork to take them down :oppressor:

[b0rsuk]

Thanks for nice explaination about the hyperblaster. It may need to be tweaked or even removed, but that would be too sad.

But maybe we're missing something. Hyperblaster should work decently against slower vehicles or deployables. And we still don't know how aerial battles look like. Maybe hyperblaster kicks ass when used against Anansi or Bumblebee ?

Or maybe Tormentor armor shouldn't be made of cardboard.

[engie^benjy]

Good video :) its obvious that you crashed every time the video was cut - its almost suicide flying :p

[RedPixels]

Wow, that's exactly what it looks like when *I* fly the Tormentor. I mean, except for the part where you avoid trees, don't bounce along the ground, and EVER kill anything. Other than that, it's pretty much the same. :-)

[Icarus]

I've saw carbonfire flying the tormentor today, it seems that he's got it, the tormentor can be very good in expert's hand.

with that being said, it's very easy to take down, and for good reason (this isn't a sim where vehicle dominates, this is quake), however, I do feel that sniper fire is a little bit overpowered against it.

Maybe tune it from 8 shots to 12 shots?

[chiizu]

I agree that the Tormentor can be a very strong asset with someone who knows how to use one. It's very good at destroying deployables, picking off infantry, and tearing down vehicles. I don't mind that it has glaring weaknesses against things such as Rocket Artillery and Titans because it provides balance, making it harder for it to completely dominate the battlefield, which is a good thing.

[LuigiBrotha]

When I get my new computer I'll try if I'll try out my PS2 controller on this thing. See if flying with that is any easier. Don't feel like buying a joystick for this.

[Infiltrator]

Nice vid, although I just barely played with the tormentor, it really feels kind of weak - a big issue is that anyone can shoot you with anything and still damage you, being a huge bug in the sky that you are, it's an open invitation to anyone with half a decent aim (and ANY gun) to shut you down.

[RaVE]

Are you flying with basic or advanced controls?

[kabab]

Are you flying with basic or advanced controls?
What is the difference?

[CarbonFire]

What is the difference?

Basic has limits on how much you can pitch or roll, so its impossible (or almost impossible) to do things like flips and barrel rolls. While its easier to keep the Tormentor aloft using basic controls, you are no less vulnerable to the host of anti-air weaponry, which will make short work of any vehicle foolish enough to loiter around the battlefield.

Advanced controls have no such limitations, and allows for all kinds of creative movements using the unique flight mechanics of the VTOL hoverjets (or whatever you want to call them). Also not for the faint at heart, as you can easily lose it and eat ground if you don't know what you are doing.

Personally, I find the advanced controls a lot easier, mainly because when avoiding trees, I often roll the Tormentor up to a 90° angle in order to avoid a collision. Doesn't work ALL the time though :rolleyes: :D

Plus, against a GOOD tanker, theres no way you can engage him and live to tell about it without advanced controls. You just can't get into a kill position (directly above the tank) and actually point the aircraft at your target without exposing yourself to that nasty insta-gib gun.

[MiiQ]

Are you flying with basic or advanced controls?

With advanced.

[murka10]

yesterday i wondered if the tormentor can do tricks, well nice... will make a vid of barrel rolling and loops, will need someone to spec so the vid will be nicer, also i want to record via demo, fraps makes the framerate drop and its hard to play...