I love Windows Vista

[L33t Masta]

Yes, it is true. I love it with a passion. The look, the feel, the awesomness. Advanced user features and technological upgrades galore. It has been working wonderfully since I got it at launch. Games run great on it and I have lost ~2 FPS in about them all (totally worth it for what I got back). DX 10 games are soon to come and all those running an outdated OS like XP or Linux (though Linux was never good :o ) will soon all be clammering for it. Windows Vista, I love you.

[InsideTheAsylum]

I love Windows 2000. Slim. Fast. Stylish and does everything I want it to do. Whoo~ Let's pile on some shiny GUIs hur hur.

[L33t Masta]

I remember Windows 2000. The style update in XP was much appreciatted. As was the Vista upgrade. The old one kind of hurts my eyes now. Also how did I ever get along without the Sidebar?

[b0rsuk]

This guy is a troll, remember this if you're going to respond.

[L33t Masta]

How am I a troll? I'm merly stating I love Windows Vista. It's not QW related so it got posted here. Why the response of hatred?

[b0rsuk]

You're stating your opinion as a fact. A bit arrogant, aren't we ? I can't see any argumentation. I won't be fuelling OS flamewars here, I'll just say that Dell started to sell 2 Linux distros and reintroduced windows XP because there isn't enough demand for Vista.

Isn't the point of better OS to improve performance rather than drop it ?

[L33t Masta]

You're stating your opinion as a fact. A bit arrogant, aren't we ? I won't be fuelling OS flamewars here, I'll just say that Dell started to sell 2 Linux distros and reintroduced windows XP because there isn't enough demand for Vista.

How did I state my opinion as fact? And Dell is going to introduce Linux so they can sell their PCs for less and offer less support. And people wanted XP because Vista is still a little bit more expensive. And it improves alot of things if you have the hardware to run it correctly. DX 10 is the way of the future and it has that. Need I remind you DX 10 offers lots a BIG performance boost over XP with Unified shaders and the such.

[seik]

I love Windows 2000. Slim. Fast. Stylish and does everything I want it to do. Whoo~ Let's pile on some shiny GUIs hur hur.

hm maybe a probleme here, on the german pre-ordercover is written
"windows XP/Vista"

[L33t Masta]

hm maybe a probleme here, on the german pre-ordercover is written
"windows XP/Vista"

I'm not surprised. They said it was going to be Vista compatible. I would bet they traded Windows 98/2000 support for it.

[b0rsuk]

How did I state my opinion as fact? And Dell is going to introduce Linux so they can sell their PCs for less and offer less support. And people wanted XP because Vista is still a little bit more expensive. And it improves alot of things if you have the hardware to run it correctly. DX 10 is the way of the future and it has that. Need I remind you DX 10 offers lots a BIG performance boost over XP with Unified shaders and the such.

For example you're saying that there will be soon many DX10 games. Are developers going to suddenly change their attitude ? At the moment they aren't too eager to jump on DX10 . John Carmack in particular said that features of DX10 can be done using OpenGL without much trouble and he won't be moving from DX9 any time soon. That is, as soon as majority of games run DX10.
Yes, ET:QW will be a DX9/OpenGL game.

Advanced features and technological improvements. Can you name some ?

Why do you call Linux outdated without backing it up ? I can give you examples where Linux is years ahead of Vista - for example most drivers are installed during system installation and you only need to download Nvidia drivers. You can use Linux as liveCD - put it into any machine and run to RAM without touching hard drive. Essentially you can carry your Linux computer with you on a flash drive; you can try out Linux without installing it.
Wonderful software management/install tools in the form of Synaptic, Adept, apt-get . No viruses. There are no defragmentation tools for Linux... because the filesystem doesn't need it, it doesn't make any mess. Consumes much less energy than Vista with Aero interface, very important for notebooks.
http://news.com.com/Vista+draining+laptop+batteries%2C+patience/2100-1044_3-6181366.html?tag=item
Customization. Much better and helpful community, take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org
You can upgrade your entire operarating system without restarting your machine. This includes drivers and much else.
I don't see such features as outdated.

[Joker_mx]

I would've stayed with my Ubuntu after I installed it, but I couldn't figure out how to run a wireless internet connection, so I cam back to XP.

[L33t Masta]

For example you're saying that there will be soon many DX10 games. Are developers going to suddenly change their attitude ? At the moment they aren't too eager to jump on DX10 . John Carmack in particular said that features of DX10 can be done using OpenGL without much trouble and he won't be moving from DX9 any time soon. That is, as soon as majority of games run DX10.
Yes, ET:QW will be a DX9/OpenGL game.

Advanced features and technological improvements. Can you name some ?

I have some kind of crap called Slackware installed on a mini PC next to me. It doesnt support any of the hardware, it doesn't run anything useful and it's pretty useless. The mini-pc runs Windows just fine and everything. Linux tries to be Windows with it's Wine program and KDE and desktops, but why settle for an immitation? And I fully realize QW is an OpenGL/DX9 game, but Windows support for OpenGL is more limited in Vista than it is in XP. DX 10 is the future because it offers many advances. You don't see video cards touting their OpenGL features. Most people just care about the DirectX because thats what most games use. Windows Vista doesn't tout it's OpenGL features, it's the DX10 that makes it appealing.

[Moncealyo]

I like my vista however not all games run well or at all. It sucks that I have been having so many problems with bf2142. However soon or later you will need to upgrade or who here still actively uses windows 95 or windows ME muhahahahaha.

[InsideTheAsylum]

hm maybe a probleme here, on the german pre-ordercover is written
"windows XP/Vista"

Yeah yeah, I know. My new PC which'll run Quake Wars will have XP Pro for it. I realize that microsoft is a business and they make money by releasing operating systems but really they could've just kept on tweaking win2k to do what they want. I'll also have to point out that Battlefield 2 also very staunchly says "WinXP Only" on the box and also when you install it ("This product has only been tested on WinXP (32-bit)", but it runs just fine on Win2k.

The only thing I've noticed not running on Win2k is microsoft products :)

[L33t Masta]

Does Windows 2000 even support DX 9?

[b0rsuk]

I have some kind of crap called Slackware installed on a mini PC next to me. It doesnt support any of the hardware, it doesn't run anything useful and it's pretty useless.


Again, opinions. Saying that something is crap doesn't prove anything. The closes t thing (to a point) you provide is that it doesn't run your hardware by default. I have reasons to suspect you didn't try to install anything manually (which you have to do when using Windows). But what's more important, you imply that because you can't use it, other people can't use it as well. Which is false. I buy only hardware known to work with Linux and experience zero problems.

Linux tries to be Windows with it's Wine program and KDE and desktops, but why settle for an immitation?
Wine is used mostly by former windows users, because linux people realize Linux has more than enough software of its own.
http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/allpackages
And these are just officially approved and tested packages that come with your distro and take 2 clicks to install.

As for KDE, if you're saying that it looks similar to windows, well, that's just default setting. KDE is very customizable and easy to configure to look like this:
http://www.gentoo.pl/~arsen/screens/kde/kde20051009.png
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9466/slackforumzziutot4.jpg
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/374/snapshot1jo4.jpg
http://www.infosatellite.com/images/articlepics/kde_30_scrshot1.gif
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1mq6.png
Are you judging book by its cover ?

Doesn't look like a windows to me. In case you meant that Windows invented graphical interfaces... you must be unfamiliar with the phrase Windows 98 - Macintosh 89. And there's that video comparing Mac OSX from year 2000 to Windows Vista from year 2007.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT6YO30GhmQ
I'm hardly a Mac fan, I haven't seen it in real life, but I try to give credit where it's due.


And I fully realize QW is an OpenGL/DX9 game, but Windows support for OpenGL is more limited in Vista than it is in XP. DX 10 is the future because it offers many advances.

It offers advances compared to DX9, not to OpenGL . OpenGL works through extensions. The way OpenGL look deffinitely can make you fall from your chair:
http://www.projectoffset.com/downloads.html
http://penumbra-overture.com/media/overture_office.jpg
http://penumbra-overture.com/media/overture_desk.jpg
http://penumbra-overture.com/

As for Sidebar you seem to like so much, Mac OSX has Widgets, Linux has stuff like Superkaramba. So you're only missing it if you use Windows XP.
Interfacez like Compiz make Aero look nothing special. Save for DX10, windows doesn't have anything the competition didn't have for years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CgqWlX_GsI&mode=related&search=

And I still think Aero is retarded in some ways. It still doesn't have multiple desktops, for example. I'm not sure about always on top, but windows XP doesn't have it so there's a chance vista doesn't, either. Gnome and KDE have many other smaller or subtle features which would take too long to list.

[Joker_mx]

I am really surprised you didn't mention Beryl.

[L33t Masta]

Vista doesn't have anything other than DX10? I'm sorry, but you're wrong. What about the ability to outsource the pagefile to a USB device thus eliminating having to access the hard drive for it? It makes it faster and more cost effective for things like hard drive space. Vista also has beefed up security measures. Those "annoying" cancel or allow buttons, while most of the time not needed, add to the peace of mind that your computer truly is safe. Flip3D is an awesome feature that allows me to oversee many things at a time while checking on weither other things are going on. The fact that Windows has shifted towards DX10 means that the $800 I pay on hardware is actually going to be used, where as in Linux it would be wasted isplaying nothing but text. And please, Multiple desktops are useless as is the "beryl" cube. So you have a spinning 3D cube desktop, what use is that if the OS does nothing itself? Thats why people tend to think that Windows Vista is a RAM hogger. Well it's not eating all that ram for no reason. You don't see Linux using that much ram because it doesn't really do anything.

[cheesecake]

Lets not feed the troll.

[b0rsuk]

As for removing the need for using hdd for swap/page file


consider a 1ms flash drive capable of sustaining 24Mbps (slightly higher than average), compared to a hardrive that has a seek time of 8ms and a throughput of 60Mbps (slightly lower than average). By the time the harddrive is ready to start sending data, the flashdrive will have had 7ms to send data at 24Mbps (which is 168kb, or 21KB). After the initial 21KB, the harddrive will have sent more data than the flash drive at 13ms after the initial request. By 50ms, the harddrive will have read more than double the data of the flash drive. Clearly, there's no advantage if you are reading files larger than 21 kilobytes in size on modern hardware except due to the fact that you have multiple sources to read from


Moral of the story: Flash drives are much slower than both RAM and HDD.
Performance improvement is close to measurement error. Readyboost is essentially poor man's RAM. If you can't afford more than 512 RAM, you'll see performance increase. Otherwise, it's just smoke and mirrors.
Here's a benchmark:
http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=2917&p=6

As for prompting user for password, vista does it in very crude way by bashing user over head. It's a misguided imitation of Mac OSX or sudo present in Linux, most notably Ubuntu.

I won't answer the rest, because they're baseless claims.

[JAM]

I don't understand how you can claim Linux is outdated when most good distributions release new versions of their OS every 6 months.

[figvam]

And all of them inevitably got sucked into troll feeding again...

[JAM]

Like goats over a bridge :(

[SniperSteve]

I love Windows 2000. Slim. Fast. Stylish and does everything I want it to do. Whoo~ Let's pile on some shiny GUIs hur hur.

I use windows 2000 on my work machine. I love it. I use win XP on my personal because it has more media features and plays games better. ;)

[L33t Masta]

I swear, the next one to call me a troll is getting reported. I am not a troll, I'm merly pointing out how much I love Windows Vista. This is called intellectual debate that I and b0rsuk are having and if you cannot join in without insulting others, please do not post. Now I use Windows 2000 at work as well because the machines cannot handle Vista or XP. But Vista is the future. With games like Crysis offering near photorealism with DX10, I wont be surprised if DX 9 is phased out in the next 2 - 3 years.

[GENETX]

Windows: I must say that I don't want to switch back either. Vista came to late and you can see that as well, but XP is even worse to then. UAC and indexed search came so late. Then UAC is still not perfect (coming up to much, you can't set a thing and I don't need to enter my pass.. Great. Still indexed searching is a great new feature and there are some others that makes me choose Vista over XP for new computers like my laptop (Dualcore, 2GB). I also didn't loose to much FPS and it is still all running good. Oh, I forgot to mention Superprefetch. I am not talking bout Aero or the sidebar, They are cool, but it is more the core and better x64 support.

Linux: Nice since I run Ubuntu for a few weeks now. Choosing for it more when going to surf on the web. Still, it hangs here some times (after liek 1 hour it starts to stutter, without any cause I know. You can see that the security is a lot better. Still hard to use sometimes (since Ubuntu is one of the easiest distro's) when you need teh console. It runs nice and fast, but not really user friendly to compete with Windows and Mac for most people, yet. It is also that some components are not integrating that good, example: I have a search bar on it. There is another thing to index, but they don't work together to show the results from the indexed files like spotlight or windows search do... At least, i haven't seen an option, only a link to the indexed files search thingy which comes in an popup...

Mac: Fast, looks a bit like Linux, then all integrated and working. LIke combining both worlds. I have run it a few days on my "Hackintosh" but since some support for my not apple hardware was crap i decided to get it off. About 1.5 years ago, some1 from my class was talking bout Macs all the time being so great. Then I told him to stfu, that windows isn't that bad either.. Now Vista isn't that good (or at least not that fast) the chances are really big that i'll be buying a mac next time and make a OSX/Windows/Linux trippleboot.

[Nirgal]

After being a windows user during more than 10 years, i tried Linux (Ubuntu) because of Vista. I'm on Linux since more than 4 months now and, even if i have to get back to XP when i wanna play, i really prefer Linux.
There's countless arguments for Linux and against Vista that there's no need to repeat.
Linux ROX and Vista SUX. THAT is a fact. :)

[b0rsuk]

GENETX: command line and user friendliness is a matter of prejudices and expectations. I don't know how old are you, but you may remember your first days with DOS when you were younger. Did you complain how hard to use it is, or... jumped straight into it without any fear ?
Funny thing is, children don't need computer lessons. They learn very well on their own, because they are willing to try.

There's more to commandline than meats the eye. Even Microsoft recognized the need for it because they're working on their Powershell. The shell in linux is very powerful and ... surprise... very well integrated with itself. Example:


locate .mp3 | sort > mymusic

This connects two commands by a pipe. Locate uses indexed search to find all mp3 files. Sort sorts them, of course. And then the result is redirected to a file called mymusic. In similar way you can delete all files bigger than 1MB not accessed during last 2 months. Commandline is great for gluing commands together, and that's why some people love it so much.
Another advantage is that everything you are able to do via commandline you can do remotely, for example from your university, if you leave your machine on and connected to the net.

And by the way: the fastest way to exit W:ET , Quake2 , and probably ET:QW too, is to press ~ q Tab enter . :D

[L33t Masta]

After being a windows user during more than 10 years, i tried Linux (Ubuntu) because of Vista. I'm on Linux since more than 4 months now and, even if i have to get back to XP when i wanna play, i really prefer Linux.
There's countless arguments for Linux and against Vista that there's no need to repeat.
Linux ROX and Vista SUX. THAT is a fact. :)

The only thing I can see Linux being good for is illegal things. For everything else, there's Windows. There's also countless arguments against Linux and for Vista. The fact it can play games, has the Windows marketshare behind it, offers a better user experience, uses new tech better (I've yet to see Linux do anything like the DX10 Cascades demo by nVidia or like Crysis) and the list goes on. Linux is meant for hardware that can't run the more modern Operating systems.

[sponge]

The only thing I can see Linux being good for is illegal things. For everything else, there's Windows.

Hello, troll, how are you? That statement is beyond ignorance, but then again, reading through the rest of this thread, I shouldn't be surprised.

By the way, out of curiosity, which OS (and web server) do a majority of the sites on the WWW run on? I want to hear you weasel your way out of this one.

Ever used Google, too? You're using Linux if you have.

[L33t Masta]

Hello, troll, how are you? That statement is beyond ignorance, but then again, reading through the rest of this thread, I shouldn't be surprised.

By the way, out of curiosity, which OS (and web server) do a majority of the sites on the WWW run on? I want to hear you weasel your way out of this one.

I would belive most run off of linux. Windows servers are catching up. But just because you have a special rank on the forums doesn't give you any right to call the other users names. The only ignorance I see here is how you called me a troll when I outright explained why I wasn't. If people like you are running our community sites/ official forums I don't know if I want to be a part of them ;)

[sponge]

Care to cite me your source on how Windows servers are catching up?

[fusen]

I truely don't think he is a troll, he's just AMAZINGLY uninformed.

The fact he calls vista a secure operating system... well that's laughable.

The fact you think Vista is good for gaming? Although none of the drivers for vista are AT ALL optimized or even worthy of running games...

Seriously, you are obviously quite ignorant when it comes to people who don't share your mindset but you should actually try reading a few articles about vista.

The general consensus is wait till the first service pack then it may actually start to be worth the upgrade.

Also your talk of linux is ... well I'm just going to ignore it, I'm not even a linux fan and I've only ever gotten as far as a liveCD but even I wouldn't blurp out the crap you are coming out with.

Tbh, this should be locked

[Nail]

I thought most big servers ran UNIX

[badman]

Alright children, let's stop fighting. This isn't Slashdot.