Building a pc

[Point.Negative]

will this setup work?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1870098&Sku=C44-3272

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2597918&Sku=E145-8002

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2948951&Sku=L12-1017


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2974183&Sku=MBM-P5NSLI-E6400

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2549302&Sku=TC3J-4000%20P

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2268595&Sku=TSD-320AS

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1779570&Sku=U93-6014

[L33t Masta]

Needs a DVD ROM and an 8800GTX then you're set

[=[ETw]= MARLOS]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2205992&CatId=2256

[Jantemplar]

will this setup work?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1870098&Sku=C44-3272

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2597918&Sku=E145-8002

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2948951&Sku=L12-1017


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2974183&Sku=MBM-P5NSLI-E6400

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2549302&Sku=TC3J-4000%20P

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2268595&Sku=TSD-320AS

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1779570&Sku=U93-6014

= MARLOS;15396']http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2205992&CatId=2256
gtx.
tiems that ram by sticks and you got yourself one hell of a pc, really needs an

[NoControl]

Add dvd-player and better case+power supply, that psu just won't do it.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2687695&CatId=1079
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2541413&CatId=1842

Those cost alot more than the one you picked, but the truth is you can't be cheap when you're buying power supply. It's one of the most important things inside your pc. Bad psu might blow up and take rest of your pc with it, and those cheap ones don't even give the power amounts they claim.

[L33t Masta]

Add dvd-player and better case+power supply, that psu just won't do it.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2687695&CatId=1079
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2541413&CatId=1842

Those cost alot more than the one you picked, but the truth is you can't be cheap when you're buying power supply. It's one of the most important things inside your pc. Bad psu might blow up and take rest of your pc with it, and those cheap ones don't even give the power amounts they claim.

Good Idea. Wouldn't want the 8800GTX to blow out.

[fusen]

Good Idea. Wouldn't want the 8800GTX to blow out.

So how do you use the 8800GTX you have seeing as surely it's in a glass case with LED lighting rotating on a base that has trumpets blowing reminding you that you own such a card?

or do you prefer to carry it around with you, maybe get a tattoo of it on your forehead with a big love heart over the top?

[PointlesS]

I would find another place to buy it...I've heard some crappy stories about tiger direct:
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Tiger_Direct

[Hakuryu]

Shop NewEgg (http://www.newegg.com).

Doing a quick search, the mobo and cpu combo you listed is $188+$97 at NewEgg ... which is $285 compared to Tigers $320. I've shopped about everywhere, and for name brand merch, NewEgg cant be beat.

I'd recommend searching NewEgg, putting together a wishlist, and then checking each item for combo deals. I got a 700w modular triple rail Coolmax PSU for $70 with a DS3 mobo (PSU is normally $140+).

Also, you might want to invest another $50 and get a 2GB memory package with a faster speed. DDR2 800 versus the 533 you have listed. Quality memory is very important, and I never even heard of the brand you have listed from Tiger... might I recommend Crucial/Mushkin (more expensive), or Kingston/PNY if you have to save money.

[NoControl]

Yea, NewEgg would prolly be better.

And i would recommend this, very good quality case and power supply in same pack : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129166

What's your budget btw?

[PointlesS]

some other good sites are:
www.zipzoomfly.com
www.directron.com
www.svc.com

there's a few others but those three sites along with newegg are great

[L33t Masta]

So how do you use the 8800GTX you have seeing as surely it's in a glass case with LED lighting rotating on a base that has trumpets blowing reminding you that you own such a card?

or do you prefer to carry it around with you, maybe get a tattoo of it on your forehead with a big love heart over the top?

Nah. You slap it in a PCIE 16x slot, plug in the 2 power connectors and boot the PC up.basic PC bulding 101.

Point.Negative, man, don't buy the GTS. It's not worth the money when compared to the 8800GTX. If you can try to get a little bit more cash for the 8800GTX.

[daedalis]

Actually Tigerdirect is pretty awesome, the company I worked for and the company I work for now both use tigerdirect for parts. Can't say anything negative about them myself.

[NoControl]

Stop praising the GTX, it's not a god-card. I know it's fastest card out if you don't count Ultra, but it doesn't make it best card for everyone, some people just can't afford it, or just don't want to spend that much money, get over it allready. Also if your monitor can't do +1600* resolutions, it's not really worth it.

[Hakuryu]

Yea, it's a good card, but by no means even needed.

I have a 8800 GTS 320MB card that runs Far Cry, Company of Heroes, Stalker, Half Life 2, Oblivion, etc... all at max settings 1600x1200 without a hitch. Even the new MS Flight Simulator I run at that resolution with nearly everything (amount of traffic, buildings, etc) set to highest possible values.

I actually think it's a bad idea to go for the GTX. DX10 is new and not used really at all, and I can foresee a day when these first generation DX10 cards will be considered poor compared to a future generation card. Get the cheaper GTS for now, and in a year or 2 get the 9900 or whatever the next version will be.

[LTF_Savage]

And dont forget the cup holder.....:p

[Kurayamino]

Add dvd-player and better case+power supply, that psu just won't do it.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2687695&CatId=1079
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2541413&CatId=1842

Those cost alot more than the one you picked, but the truth is you can't be cheap when you're buying power supply. It's one of the most important things inside your pc. Bad psu might blow up and take rest of your pc with it, and those cheap ones don't even give the power amounts they claim.

Ummm coolermaster PSU's are pretty poop. Go for the Corsair 520 or 620 for a nice solid PSU. most people skimp on the psu and regret it later. If that blows it takes most things with it! As long as the original case is to your taste and fits the GFX Card in dont worry about that, oh and provides good air flow.
you could save money, and not have a 8800GTX there are some new 88' series cards out that support DX10 and are cheaper!But as long as your happy the only thing I suggest is make sure the PSU is top! Also the Motherboard? No overclocking I take it?

Dont go the the 8800GTX Ultra my preoverclocked 8800GTX is faster and is about 140 cheaper!

[Point.Negative]

Cool. thanks for al the help guys. But answer to a earlier reply my budget is 700-900$.

[L33t Masta]

Stop praising the GTX, it's not a god-card. I know it's fastest card out if you don't count Ultra, but it doesn't make it best card for everyone, some people just can't afford it, or just don't want to spend that much money, get over it allready. Also if your monitor can't do +1600* resolutions, it's not really worth it.

The GTX is good for resolutions of 1280 x 1024 as well. Provides the backing power Quake Wars will need. If you get a GTS, don't expect to play Quake Wars on high. Only a GTX will be able too. And the 8800 Ultra is just an overclocked 8800GTX. I can get the speeds of an ultra easy, so no worries there.

[Zeus.:God]

Dude, don't get an 8800GTX or an Ultra. Get two 8800GTS OC2 640MB cards from BFG. They will perform better than the Ultra, and cost around the same price.

Point.Negative, if your budget is 700-900 bucks, then you don't have many options. I'll try to shop up a computer on NewEgg in your price range:

ASUS P5N32-E SLI Plus LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131153

Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 Conroe 2.13GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115016

BFG Tech BFGR88640GTSOCE GeForce 8800GTS 640MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 OC HDCP Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143081

APEVIA X-CRUISER-AL Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144152

OCZ Platinum Revision 2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227139

OCZ GameXStream OCZ600GXSSLI ATX12V 600W Power Supply 100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341001

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102007

That comes to about 1,160 dollars. A little over your budget, but that's getting quality stuff as well.

I would recommend you salvage your old hard drive and disc drives and use them in your new PC, if you get one.

[Zeus.:God]

The GTX is good for resolutions of 1280 x 1024 as well. Provides the backing power Quake Wars will need. If you get a GTS, don't expect to play Quake Wars on high. Only a GTX will be able too. And the 8800 Ultra is just an overclocked 8800GTX. I can get the speeds of an ultra easy, so no worries there.

133t Masta, you ain't so 1337... You are totally clueless, actually. For people on a budget that want DX10 support and a high end graphics card, the GTS is perfect. Performance wise, the GTX doesn't justify the higher price over the GTS, so shut your mouth. Oh, and your scoreboard is flawed. You're argument has lost you all credibility you might have had.

Just drop it.

[L33t Masta]

133t Masta, you ain't so 1337... You are totally clueless, actually. For people on a budget that want DX10 support and a high end graphics card, the GTS is perfect. Performance wise, the GTX doesn't justify the higher price over the GTS, so shut your mouth. Oh, and your scoreboard is flawed. You're argument has lost you all credibility you might have had.

Just drop it.


I'm L33ter than you. And infact everybody. I'm not clueless. I know the GTS has DX10 support and I know it's slower than the 8800GTX, has less shaders, a slower interface, less video memory and is only one slot big. I know it wont play Quake Wars on full, I know it will not play Crysis on full and I also know it's a worthless card. Save the extra money, buy a GTX. You'll appreciate the fact that you did in the long run. And I'm not going to shut my mouth because some 8 year old tells me too, and my scoreboard is just fine. And what do I care if youargue with me about my credibility? I'm better than you. And I know it.

[Ed_122586]

l33t Masta, what is your standard for framerates in FPS games? 100?

[L33t Masta]

Unless I can hit 150, I'm not happy. Thank God the 8800GTX outperforms 150 FPS. Crysis is gonna be great.

[Ed_122586]

Oh, ok. Picky eh?

[goteamwill]

A little off topic... but how do you think a Radeon X850 will run QW?

[Zeus.:God]

I know the GTS has DX10 support and I know it's slower than the 8800GTX, has less shaders, a slower interface, less video memory and is only one slot big

Thus, showing such ignorance from a little boy calling me an 8 year old (oh, try doubling that number to get my real age).

First, the 8800GTS is TWO slots thick. Dolt. Second, we know it is slower, but the performance and benchmarks don't justify the increased cost of a GTX, especially to a BUDGET BUYER. Go take your parents' money and blow it on something, you rich bastard, while us working folk go make the hard earned money we use to buy our equipment. Dumbshit.

Also, one last thing. You're not better than me in any way, and that little "Score Board" you have in your signature is just blatantly showing your immaturity, you 'tard.

[Zeus.:God]

BFG NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX OC2 768MB PCIe

Performance
GPU NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX
Core Clock 626MHz (vs. 575MHz standard)
Shader Clock 1450MHz (vs. 1350MHz standard)
Fill Rate 40.0 billion/sec.
Stream Processors 128
Memory
Video Memory 768MB
Memory Type GDDR3
Memory Data Rate 2000MHz (vs. 1800MHz standard)
Memory Bandwidth 96GB/sec.
Connections
Bus Type PCI Express x16
Connector(s) 2 Dual-Link DVI-I, HDTV + TV Out
Multiple Monitor Support Yes
HDCP Yes
RAMDACs Dual 400MHz
Chipset Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Core clock: 626MHz (vs. 575MHz standard)
DirectX: DirectX 10
DVI: 2
Memory Clock: 2000MHz (vs. 1800MHz standard)
Memory Interface: 384-bit
OpenGL: OpenGL 2.0
Stream Processors: 128
TV-Out: HDTV / S-Video Out
-------------------------
BFG NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS OC2 640MB PCIe

Performance
GPU NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS
Core Clock 580MHz (vs. 500MHz standard)
Shader Clock 1350MHz (vs. 1200MHz standard)
Fill Rate 27.8 billion/sec.
Stream Processors 96
Memory
Video Memory 640MB
Memory Type GDDR3
Memory Data Rate 1700MHz (vs. 1600MHz standard)
Memory Bandwidth 68GB/sec.
Connections
Bus Type PCI Express x16
Connector(s) 2 Dual-Link DVI-I, HDTV + TV Out
Multiple Monitor Support Yes
HDCP Yes
RAMDACs Dual 400MHz
Chipset Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Core clock: 580MHz
DirectX: DirectX 10
DVI: 2
Memory Clock: 1700MHz
Memory Interface: 320-bit
OpenGL: OpenGL 2.0
Stream Processors: 96
TV-Out: HDTV / S-Video Out

Prices from NewEgg:
8800GTX 768MB OC2 - $629.99
8800GTS 640MB OC2 - $409.99

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_ati_radeon_hd_2900_xt_performance_preview/page8.asp

I'm not seein' much to make the 130 extra dollars worth it.

[ShadowMerk]

On Topic: I agree with a few of the previous posters that a good well circulating case and good PSU makes a big difference. I am also partial to cool master, as the whole front of my case is breathable mesh. I have the Centurion 5 w/ window side panel, but the elite someone posted before looks good also. For PSU Thermaltake, OCZ, Enemax are all good brands, I would just say try to get 600W or higher. I don’t have an 8800 but I sure they require some juice and as you start adding on to your system, you don’t want to have to replace you PSU, because its to weak ;)

This is a PSU calculator which will give you a good idea on what you should get.

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

For you it recommended 503W for your current setup.

Two last things I might suggest. I prefer Western Digital over Seagate. Allot of people like Seagate, but for me they have been nothing but trouble. Lastly, pick up at least mid range ram. OCZ is great, but for you Kingston, Patriot or Corsair will fit the bill. I have used all three and have nothing, but good things to say about them. Just stay clear of their, and others, value packs. All value pack ram have crappy timings.

Best of Luck

[Zeus.:God]

Yeah, L33t. Did I ever say that the GTS was more powerful than the GTX? No. I merely stated that the best bang for the buck was the GTS, and it still proves to be, with the best price to performance ratio. Now, seeing as how you posted a bunch of benchmarks for us all to look at, those framerates from the GTX are totally irrelevant. Now, I know you are going to be infuriated with my little comment, so I'll explain it to you. The human eye. They human eye only sees an equivalent of 60 frames per second. Now, seeing as how the GTS is basically at 60FPS the entire time, it barely hits the spot, but still proving to be a better buy. You won't notice any difference between 60 and 135907834569047590375903485FPS. Guaranteed.

Take your childish insults someplace else. Nobody wants you here, especially with your immature attitude and how you can't admit when you are wrong (not to mention you take things too seriously and blow things out of proportion). Again, kid, move along, you've dug your own grave.

[L33t Masta]

Yeah, L33t. Did I ever say that the GTS was more powerful than the GTX? No. I merely stated that the best bang for the buck was the GTS, and it still proves to be, with the best price to performance ratio. Now, seeing as how you posted a bunch of benchmarks for us all to look at, those framerates from the GTX are totally irrelevant. Now, I know you are going to be infuriated with my little comment, so I'll explain it to you. The human eye. They human eye only sees an equivalent of 60 frames per second. Now, seeing as how the GTS is basically at 60FPS the entire time, it barely hits the spot, but still proving to be a better buy. You won't notice any difference between 60 and 135907834569047590375903485FPS. Guaranteed.

Take your childish insults someplace else. Nobody wants you here, especially with your immature attitude and how you can't admit when you are wrong (not to mention you take things too seriously and blow things out of proportion). Again, kid, move along, you've dug your own grave.

bang for the buck? Looks like the GTX beats out the GTS. I mean when it takes 2 GTS to just barly beat 1 GTX, well, the choice of whats better for the price is obvious. And I don't know about you, but I can tell the difference between 60 FPS and 100. And I'm not going anywhere :D. I know I'm not wrong, I've posted proof as to how I am not wrong. Now run along.

[Zeus.:God]

You still don't realize... It is PHYSICALLY impossible to tell the difference! Jeez, using reasoning with you is like pouring salt on an open wound.

Especially for people who don't have the money to buy something as expensive as a GTX in one sitting. If they buy a GTS, they can buy another one down the road (yes more expensive in the long run), but they will have comparable performance to begin with, better performance in the future, and also have the comfort of having two powerful graphics cards giving solid reliable performance down the road. Now, the same can be said for the GTX as far as SLI goes, but then you are spending more money, for differences you won't be able to tell, and by the time that expense will be worth it, you will need to upgrade to a better card.

Of course you will ignore all that I just said, but it's worth a try.

[L33t Masta]

You still don't realize... It is PHYSICALLY impossible to tell the difference! Jeez, using reasoning with you is like pouring salt on an open wound.

Especially for people who don't have the money to buy something as expensive as a GTX in one sitting. If they buy a GTS, they can buy another one down the road (yes more expensive in the long run), but they will have comparable performance to begin with, better performance in the future, and also have the comfort of having two powerful graphics cards giving solid reliable performance down the road. Now, the same can be said for the GTX as far as SLI goes, but then you are spending more money, for differences you won't be able to tell, and by the time that expense will be worth it, you will need to upgrade to a better card.

Of course you will ignore all that I just said, but it's worth a try.

If you can't afford an 8800GTX, how are you going to afford another GTS down the line? Just save the money and grab an 8800GTX. Wait the 1 or 2 months and save the little bit extra. It's worth it for the performance boost. And I CAN tell the difference between 60 FPS and 100.100 is alot more smooth than 60. 60 is just the norm.

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

Case and point.

:D I am so awesome I amaze myself sometimes :D

[Mr.Cripples]

ehhhh... hmkkayyyyy??? GTS sucks for the money

[Zeus.:God]

You haven't proven anything I have said wrong, nor have you proven how a GTX is more cost efficient when it comes down to a budget buyer.

That, there, is the case and point.

Now, you see, us working folk (you don't work, and it's clear due to your bogus statements of value and performance to the budget buyer), can't always plop down 600+ dollars in a single sitting, nor can most of us do that with 409 dollars, but you see, 409 dollars is much more obtainable, and then, if we feel the need, we can get two of the cards. The GTX is worthless with price/performance ratios.

Oh yeah, 60FPS is the norm for the human eye, and anything above that is entirely useless. Get that through your skull and we'll be making some progress.

You have one more nail to go before your coffin is sealed.

[L33t Masta]

You haven't proven anything I have said wrong, nor have you proven how a GTX is more cost efficient when it comes down to a budget buyer.

That, there, is the case and point.

Now, you see, us working folk (you don't work, and it's clear due to your bogus statements of value and performance to the budget buyer), can't always plop down 600+ dollars in a single sitting, nor can most of us do that with 409 dollars, but you see, 409 dollars is much more obtainable, and then, if we feel the need, we can get two of the cards. The GTX is worthless with price/performance ratios.

Oh yeah, 60FPS is the norm for the human eye, and anything above that is entirely useless. Get that through your skull and we'll be making some progress.

You have one more nail to go before your coffin is sealed.


I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I do work. But unlike other people, I belive that the price justifies what you get. You pay more, you get better. The GTX has a HUGE performance boost over the GTS as seen here:

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/7960/mark06wu8.png

See that? Almost 1000 more. Sure seems worth it for an extra $200.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1073/bf2142ax8.png

An extra 30 FPS? WHOA! The GTS wont even be able to keep the steady 60 FPS you hold so dear.

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/6209/preyvj9.png
Again, falling short of the 60 FPS mark you hold so dear. Seems like the 8800GTX isn't looking so bad after all, IS IT?

And if you had even read the article, you would see that 60 FPS is not all you can see and that there is some controversy. Your coffins been sealed LONG before you opened your mouth lol.

[Zeus.:God]

Why thank you for wasting forum space and reposting that of which I have already addressed.

To you question: NO, the GTX isn't looking any better, because I want a graphics card that I can have SOON and be able to have COMPARABLE graphics at a STEADY FRAME RATE. That's me as a budget consumer. Now, the GTX is more POWERFUL. I realize that, but as far as what you are paying for, you GET MORE for LESS MONEY with the GTS. You can't argue fact.

[L33t Masta]

It's better in the long term to buy an 8800GTX. By the time the 8800GTX has been phased out, you'll have enough money to afford the next gen card. Save the extra $200 in the month or 2 it'll take and get an 8800GTX. You'll be glad you did not only for the performance, but the longevity of the card itself.

[NoControl]

I can't believe that idiot is being serious. Didn't you say that benchmark don't mean shit? And still you are posting them? Tho those benchmarks you have really are bullshit, 7800GTX faster than 7950GT? Not. In other sites GTS get's nearly 80 fps at same settings on Prey. 150fps to make you happy, are you even human?

No use trying talk to ego-maniac forum troll like that, it's just waste of time.

have a 8800 GTS 320MB card that runs Far Cry, Company of Heroes, Stalker, Half Life 2, Oblivion, etc... all at max settings 1600x1200 without a hitch. Even the new MS Flight Simulator I run at that resolution with nearly everything (amount of traffic, buildings, etc) set to highest possible values.

I wonder why he can run those game at max settings with GTS, is he using black magic? :confused:

A little off topic... but how do you think a Radeon X850 will run QW?

Should run ok, if you have enough ram and good cpu.

Oh and thanks for those mega-spam posts.

Could mods please lock this thread?

[Salteh]

Original thread started has his answer, this thread is turning into an endless 'GTX r0x - GTS suxx0rz' discussion.
If L33t Masta and Zeus.:God want to continue this 1-1 discussion please take it to PMs :).