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L33t Masta
05-11-2007, 10:47 AM
Well the only problem with macs is that nothing is really compatible with them. The first thing I hear people say is "is this compatible with my mac?" or "Will this program run on my mac?". Plus macs cannot play games.
Splinter
05-11-2007, 11:00 AM
Now mac have switched to intel, alot more is compatible then you may think.
Also I can duel boot into windows :) (xp pro, im not stupid enough to use vista) So that's where I keep all my games.
- Adam
L33t Masta
05-11-2007, 11:09 AM
Macs dont have PCIE slots as far as I know so upgrading to a decent video card is impossible.
Splinter
05-11-2007, 12:14 PM
I have an ATI RadeonX1600 256MB PCIe in my MacBook Pro :)
- Adam
sponge
05-11-2007, 06:43 PM
I've looked into making my next laptop a MacBook Pro. Excellent hardware, though a bit overpriced, but it IS C2D, allowing you to take advantage of hardware virutalization on Mac OS or Linux.
Although the PowerPC architecture was arguably superior to x86, the move to Intel was definitely a good thing.
Tropenfieber
05-11-2007, 07:36 PM
A MacBook Pro....:eek:
Maybe next Christmas.;) :D
Macs dont have PCIE slots as far as I know so upgrading to a decent video card is impossible.
http://www.apple.com/macpro/graphics.html
Thanks to the double-wide PCI Express graphics slot, no matter which card you have installed as your primary graphics card, your Mac Pro still provides room for three additional PCI Express expansion cards. In all, Mac Pro lets you install up to four PCI Express graphics cards. Providing support for up to eight displays simultaneously, Mac Pro offers an ideal solution for advanced visualization projects and large display walls. You don’t need a clear day to see forever. You just need a new Mac Pro.
L33t Masta
05-12-2007, 04:09 AM
My bad. PCIE 16x
Zeus.:God
05-14-2007, 10:49 PM
My bad. PCIE 16x
Uh... Wrong again, L33t. The Nvidia Quadro 4500 FX (whatever it's called), the ATI X1600, and Nvidia 7300 cards are all PCI-Express 16x.
sponge
05-14-2007, 10:50 PM
Uh... Wrong again, L33t. The Nvidia Quadro 4500 FX (whatever it's called), the ATI X1600, and Nvidia 7300 cards are all PCI-Express 16x.
Indeed. I get the distinct feeling that he does not know of which he speaks.
L33t Masta
05-14-2007, 11:12 PM
Indeed. I get the distinct feeling that he does not know of which he speaks.
It's a Mac. Whats to know? There's no Mac Drivers for the card, they don't have PCIE 16x slots and they're horribly incompatible with software and hardware due to their proprietary design. I know exactly what I'm talking about. Not much has changed even if they use Intel CPUs now.
sponge
05-15-2007, 01:02 AM
It's a Mac. Whats to know? There's no Mac Drivers for the card, they don't have PCIE 16x slots and they're horribly incompatible with software and hardware due to their proprietary design. I know exactly what I'm talking about. Not much has changed even if they use Intel CPUs now.
You really DON'T know what you're talking about :| Apple provides drivers themselves for many cards (so yea, driver support for gamer-targeted video cards is weak, I'll give you that) but they DO have PCI-E 16x slots as we just showed you. Which "hardware" is OS X horribly incompatible with exactly? With software, you can dual boot Windows and OS X, allowing you to use BOTH worlds of software.
Windows is "horribly incompatible" with 30 years of UNIX software, and Mac OS software too, due to their "proprietary design" as opposed to UNIX/Linux's open design. That statement is pure unsubstantiated fluff: yea the software for one OS is going to be incompatible with another, great going.
I'm curious as to where you came up with your opinion that it is incompatible is, although I have a feeling you'll just ignore the main point of my post and nitpick on something minor.
Dislike Macs if you like; I'm sure not a fan. But at least get a clue before trying to explain why.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9828/clueponmk6.jpg
It's a Mac. Whats to know? There's no Mac Drivers for the card, they don't have PCIE 16x slots and they're horribly incompatible with software and hardware due to their proprietary design. I know exactly what I'm talking about. Not much has changed even if they use Intel CPUs now.
erm what... OS X has the drivers built in. Fit the card in, the OS takes care of itself. You do squat for installing any drivers. The Mac Pro doesn't have PCI-E 16X? http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304122
How do you work that out, its incompatible, what is?
How did we get from a "Post your desktop" thread to discussing Mac hardware... oh thats right, someone posted a Mac desktop picture. I can see this getting locked. ¬_¬
You really DON'T know what you're talking about :| Apple provides drivers themselves for many cards (so yea, driver support for gamer-targeted video cards is weak, I'll give you that)
Thing is though and it always has puzzled me, Apple has never aimed their computers at gamers. So I'm curious as where and how people in general for example, like L33t Masta seem to think Apple is trying to make gaming machines. It's always usually comments like, "Mac's suck at gaming" when their Pro lines are workstations. Used for modeling and rendering, graphic work, scientific calculations, medical stuff or some sort of specialization, they are defiinately big into movie work and music creation and such.
Many DVD's I've seen when they come with bonus discs, you usually see teams working on Mac's editing the films/music and so on in their studios.
sponge
05-15-2007, 01:23 AM
Indeed. It just so happens that with the switch to Intel, many Macs are starting to be able to be pretty viable machines when dual booting. I saw (I believe it was a low-end) MacBook Pro notebook running Oblivion over the weekend, which was pretty impressive. That won't stop people from mindlessly trashing it just to raise their postcount though.
sponge
05-15-2007, 04:23 AM
Listen to my words: Apple uses the same video cards as a PC. They can even run Windows if you choose to want to play PC games. Why must you insist on dodging my points time after time? If you open up a Mac, all you see is an Intel motherboard, an Intel processor, an ATI or NVidia video card. If you open up a PC, you see a motherboard based off an Intel/AMD chipset, an Intel/AMD processor, and an ATI or NVidia video card. Stop posting retarded screenshots and discuss the point at hand, instead of dodging it like a coward. So yes, a Mac can do that 60FPS since THEY'RE THE SAME HARDWARE.
Why would you buy a Mac to run Windows on it? Because of this thing called dual booting that lets you run multiple operating systems on one PC. And thanks to applications like Parallel, Xen, OpenVZ, you can even run Windows and OS X AT THE SAME TIME.
(I'm sure the whole 3 people who wasted their money on a PhysX card will be real disappointed that they can't use it on a Mac, too.)
Please stop spreading misinformation, I'm tired of teaching you every basic fact about computing. This is stuff you can be looking up on Google. I don't know why you can't accept the fact that someone will want to choose a different computer than you.
L33t Masta
05-15-2007, 05:31 AM
Because macs are basiclly useless. Who cares about dual booting into an OS that doesn't play games? I for one will be glad when MS takes linux down with it's patent lawsuit it's got going and then Apple will be gone next. Microsoft can have a monopoly all they want. They still have the best OS out there. And if there was a standard instead of all this crap like Ubuntu and Fedora then maybe we would be getting games faster.
sponge
05-15-2007, 05:50 AM
I for one will be glad when MS takes linux down with it's patent lawsuit it's got going and then Apple will be gone next.
Ah, so you're either trolling, or just woefully ignorant, or you're a 12 year old.
By the way, I hope you wouldn't mind if you couldn't use Google ever again. Because they'll be gone if MS decides to sue some of the Linux distributions.
Fair enough, carry on!
leet masta ur basicaly digging urself in a very big hole. Sponge has shut u down every time.. so plz be quiet cause its embarrasing to read ur '****" hahha
Zeus.:God
05-15-2007, 06:07 AM
Hey sponge, go easy on the lad. His ass is already gaping. I mean, Jesus, let him recover before having another go.
Really, he's just ignorant. He thinks the 8800GTX has a better performance/price ratio than the GTS, so really, he can't be taken all too seriously, can he? Hell, he tries to talk shit when he doesn't even look up the facts, nor does he back his statements. Ignorance is bliss, eh?
EDIT: L33t, do you really want Apple and Linux to be gone? Well, I love Microsoft and Windows, and absolutely despise Apple and Linux (though Apple does have some powerful machines), but if they were gone... Just think... What would happen to us? No competition... No one to compete with means higher prices, lower quality, and a bland experience at best.
I want you to do me a favor... You listening? I want you to take your keyboard, and throw it out of your window- Hell, just throw the entire computer out (oh, and send me your precious GTX). All you are doing is hurting yourself. It just disheartens me that people like sponge just have to absolutely beat your terrible arguments like a lost dog... You know what? Just do this as a favor for yourself and follow my instructions; for your sake.
L33t Masta
05-15-2007, 06:08 AM
Ah, so you're either trolling, or just woefully ignorant, or you're a 12 year old.
By the way, I hope you wouldn't mind if you couldn't use Google ever again. Because they'll be gone if MS decides to sue some of the Linux distributions.
Fair enough, carry on!
Google's smart enough they can switch to a Windows based server. I'm not trolling, I just hate Linux and macs. Useless wannabe operating systems.
Its fine to hate something, but so far your only reason is because they arn't good at games.
fact 1: Next to all game servers are hosted on linux.
Zeus.:God
05-15-2007, 06:14 AM
Google's smart enough they can switch to a Windows based server. I'm not trolling, I just hate Linux and macs. Useless wannabe operating systems.
Ahh, how little you know.
Hey sponge, look! He's so cute when he's dreaming!
sponge
05-15-2007, 06:14 AM
Google's smart enough they can switch to a Windows based server. I'm not trolling, I just hate Linux and macs. Useless wannabe operating systems.
Windows based server? Do you honestly think it's made up of 1 server? Actually, implementing something the size of Google is nigh impossible at a sane speed without having the OS source code available to make low-level changes.
I think I'm done with you, as you show a clear lack of fundamental knowledge in computing. You oughta update that scoreboard in your sig and put me somewhere at 10 or 15, and knock yours down to say.. -111.
Zeus.:God
05-15-2007, 06:22 AM
sponge, he's in his own world. There's no reasoning with him. It's useless. We'll just let him continue with his idiotic thinking and let him make his own dumb decisions until A) he learns the errors of his ways, or B) it just gets to the point where it's just too enjoyable to poke fun at him.