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space · 08-17-2007, 05:58 PM

WHen you first leave the tunel with the MCP you can turn left and take the MCP an alternate route. Typically if you can get this turn done with 3/4 health you should be able to run yourself to the deploy point avoiding all defensive deployables the enemy has laid down for you.

Keep in mind you have to deploy within 30 seconds of leaving the normal trail but done properly this strat can help a GDF team steamroll through the hardest objective on the map.

Frag On!

space · 08-17-2007, 06:10 PM

LOL mispelled "route"

Ragenowski · 08-17-2007, 06:17 PM

I can see where that might work in theory but in practice there are only minor things that the strogg would need to do to deter it from happening. For instance, when I place my avt I usually try to place it to where it is able to shoot at a target approaching from multiple angles. I love placing an avt behind the cargo containers on the right side of the mcp's objective. Placing it there gives some protection from direct tank round hits and soldiers' rockets, plus it's able to fire toward the ramp just after the mcp comes down it, and it's also able to fire at the alternate entrance. Having been in that area many times in my titan it'll begin firing at you before you even complete the turn to get around the fence there. Last night someone tried this tactic over and over and he never even got fully turned so that he was pointing directly at the objective.

This can work though as long as your team is providing information to you on avts', cyclops, desecrator, and troops in that area. From there it's a decision that has to be made on whether or not you've still got enough of an element of surprise to risk it.

Ragenowski · 08-17-2007, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by space

LOL mispelled "route"

if you pronounce route as "root", then you spelled "toot"

space · 08-17-2007, 06:39 PM

Actually you can move behind turrets which arn't facing you. This route basically avoids everything.. I have done it in multiple servers with some of the top end players form this site presents against very dug in defences.

It is a big deal. Now the strogg have to defend two routes fully. When coming in from this route as well there is a stack of supplycrates you can use to block incoming missiles (combined with your flairs of course) if there happens to be 1 or 2 turrets pointing your direction.

That is taking into account the fact that hopefully at least 1 person on your team is half decent at disabling/destorying turrets.

So far every time I've taken this route the MCP has been deployed withing 2-3 min of being set on the ground. The trick is to leave the tunnel with close to full health on the MCP.

Hakuryu · 08-17-2007, 08:31 PM

I've known about that for a while, but it rarely works anymore. If you're on a server with a bunch of noobs it might work, but smart players will stop you.

More and more people are realizing the alternate route (the way you describe) as a path for infantry, and the Strogg know this too... I put up turrets facing that direction often. APT's to get he runners, and AVT's to get the vehicles going around the tunnel on the outside.

The best MCP tactic is simple... have a Titan 'lead the way'. The MCP gets battered by all those turrets, but if you have a Titan leading you (and not stopping), you can get much further than just blazing ahead in the MCP alone. I'll take a Badger and get in front of the MCP if the Titan isn't available and just spam flares and take any AVT shots meant for my MCP sometimes.

reyalp · 08-17-2007, 09:40 PM

Servers can set g_noRouteMaskDestruction to allow the MCP more freedom of movement. Of course, then you run the risk of some llama driving it into a far corner of the map

JBRAA · 08-17-2007, 10:37 PM

MCP Basejumping :-)

Dirka_Dirka · 08-18-2007, 05:23 AM

Be careful when using this - if the mcp is stopped, it will be redeployed back before the tunnel entrance. This is because when you turn left, you never reach the "MCP has left the tunnel" marker.

space · 08-19-2007, 12:10 AM

Yeah you have to get the MCP from the tunnel mouth and deployed withing 30 seconds or its re-deplyed.

murka10 · 08-19-2007, 06:49 PM

people should go to the tunnel exit marker first, then turn to the side path, iv seen some do it, much better to have the mcp dropped after the tunnel not before, about 30sec to waste for just a few secs.

Spanky · 08-20-2007, 09:39 PM

I've done this dozens of times, and Strogg folks are starting to catch on, but if you can get a soldier with an RL to elliminate a possible AVT, you can cruise right in. I posted this about two weeks ago, peeps are still falling for it left and, well, left

The best part is when some jackass who has maxed out his XPs starts calling me a dumbass for going off the track(you know who you are- have some fun already, the Earth is NOT really at risk!), then all of s sudden, "Spanky captures the objective". There are still GDF spawning back at the mouth of the tunnel by the time I've completed the objective.

I then politely say "Well, anything else you have to say there, Fatal1ty Jr.?"

Jerk last night was bitching about what a crappy team we were cause we lost the first round. Then berated me ("stupid f'n noob! Where are you going") for turning down the alley. Then his buddy chimed in that I was an idiot. Then I parked the MCP in it's rightful spot and they STFU! Guess what? We won the round. Shut it, know it alls! Ass. Mom says it's time for dinner.

No one has ever said a thing back after the capture, other than "I didn't know you could do that" or "you sure schooled them!". Ha! Eat that, Strogg!

Two things tho:

This depends upon timing completely. Dont' stop the MCP for even a second, and don't stop your Titan in front of the MCP! It's just waiting to be junk in the way. Charge!

If you do make the turn partially into the alley, and get disabled by AVT fire, it's very easy to get behind cover going down the alley once you've repaired it enough. Then a short jaunt to the objective, and you're done.

2phew · 08-21-2007, 10:10 AM

some peeps i played with tried it only to be stopped with the med crate and an AVT(this was deliberate i think) by the wall 2 or 3 times it lost the round and peeps werent happy because DEFAULT was ignored . its a risky on really depends on time spent on previous objective.

space · 08-21-2007, 07:46 PM

Yeah your team needs to have the turrets cleaned out at the tunnel mouth so you can go this route to avoid defence set back from the tunnel mouth by the MCP deply location.

If the tunnel mouth is clean you can sneak the MCP behind the tuerrets that are set back as the AVT turrets willnot fire at you when you are behind them unless you fire at them first.

Finko · 08-27-2007, 02:19 PM

That's a pretty tight spot between the garage building and the mountain. I think I know where I'll start placing some mines from now on

PhotonScatter · 08-30-2007, 11:05 AM

One thing to help when taking the MCP around this way, or in general:

You can strafe jump and hold fix with the pliers to 'keep up' with the MCP when it's moving at full speed. I've found that if you have 2-3 engineers doing that behind the MCP you can often get it deployed in one go.

08-17-2007, 05:58 PM	#1
space Brigadier General Join Date: May 2007	Taking the MCP.. the scenic toute. WHen you first leave the tunel with the MCP you can turn left and take the MCP an alternate route. Typically if you can get this turn done with 3/4 health you should be able to run yourself to the deploy point avoiding all defensive deployables the enemy has laid down for you. Keep in mind you have to deploy within 30 seconds of leaving the normal trail but done properly this strat can help a GDF team steamroll through the hardest objective on the map. Frag On! __________________ Xfire SN : sp4orce \|\| Gamertag : .space. [==] "I own with the Platypus.. and Trojan"

08-17-2007, 06:10 PM	#2
space Brigadier General Join Date: May 2007	LOL mispelled "route" __________________ Xfire SN : sp4orce \|\| Gamertag : .space. [==] "I own with the Platypus.. and Trojan"

08-17-2007, 06:17 PM	#3
Ragenowski Group Captain Join Date: May 2007 Location: ATX area	I can see where that might work in theory but in practice there are only minor things that the strogg would need to do to deter it from happening. For instance, when I place my avt I usually try to place it to where it is able to shoot at a target approaching from multiple angles. I love placing an avt behind the cargo containers on the right side of the mcp's objective. Placing it there gives some protection from direct tank round hits and soldiers' rockets, plus it's able to fire toward the ramp just after the mcp comes down it, and it's also able to fire at the alternate entrance. Having been in that area many times in my titan it'll begin firing at you before you even complete the turn to get around the fence there. Last night someone tried this tactic over and over and he never even got fully turned so that he was pointing directly at the objective. This can work though as long as your team is providing information to you on avts', cyclops, desecrator, and troops in that area. From there it's a decision that has to be made on whether or not you've still got enough of an element of surprise to risk it. __________________ Drunk And Disorderly Member.......And proud of it! Please join us in the fun on any of our FOUR ranked ETQW servers! Drunk and Disorderly RANKED North #1 and #2 Drunk and Disorderly RANKED South And NOW PRESENTING: Drunk and Disorderly Ranked WEST

08-17-2007, 06:39 PM	#5
space Brigadier General Join Date: May 2007	Actually you can move behind turrets which arn't facing you. This route basically avoids everything.. I have done it in multiple servers with some of the top end players form this site presents against very dug in defences. It is a big deal. Now the strogg have to defend two routes fully. When coming in from this route as well there is a stack of supplycrates you can use to block incoming missiles (combined with your flairs of course) if there happens to be 1 or 2 turrets pointing your direction. That is taking into account the fact that hopefully at least 1 person on your team is half decent at disabling/destorying turrets. So far every time I've taken this route the MCP has been deployed withing 2-3 min of being set on the ground. The trick is to leave the tunnel with close to full health on the MCP. __________________ Xfire SN : sp4orce \|\| Gamertag : .space. [==] "I own with the Platypus.. and Trojan" Last edited by space : 08-17-2007 at 06:41 PM.

08-17-2007, 08:31 PM	#6
Hakuryu 3rd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2007 Location: Cleveland, OH	I've known about that for a while, but it rarely works anymore. If you're on a server with a bunch of noobs it might work, but smart players will stop you. More and more people are realizing the alternate route (the way you describe) as a path for infantry, and the Strogg know this too... I put up turrets facing that direction often. APT's to get he runners, and AVT's to get the vehicles going around the tunnel on the outside. The best MCP tactic is simple... have a Titan 'lead the way'. The MCP gets battered by all those turrets, but if you have a Titan leading you (and not stopping), you can get much further than just blazing ahead in the MCP alone. I'll take a Badger and get in front of the MCP if the Titan isn't available and just spam flares and take any AVT shots meant for my MCP sometimes. __________________ My very old Tribes mod

08-17-2007, 09:40 PM	#7
reyalp Global Volunteer Force Join Date: May 2007	Servers can set g_noRouteMaskDestruction to allow the MCP more freedom of movement. Of course, then you run the risk of some llama driving it into a far corner of the map

08-17-2007, 10:37 PM	#8
JBRAA Group Major Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sweden	MCP Basejumping :-) __________________ www.wolfenstein.nu - Swedish ET, ETQW, Wolfenstein Community <3 Enemy Territory - Fragarea 3 \| <3 RTCW - Knö or Die \| <3 RTCW - EuroCup X

08-18-2007, 05:23 AM	#9
Dirka_Dirka Lieutenant Commander Join Date: Aug 2007	Be careful when using this - if the mcp is stopped, it will be redeployed back before the tunnel entrance. This is because when you turn left, you never reach the "MCP has left the tunnel" marker.

08-19-2007, 12:10 AM	#10
space Brigadier General Join Date: May 2007	Yeah you have to get the MCP from the tunnel mouth and deployed withing 30 seconds or its re-deplyed. __________________ Xfire SN : sp4orce \|\| Gamertag : .space. [==] "I own with the Platypus.. and Trojan"

08-19-2007, 06:49 PM	#11
murka10 Brigadier Join Date: May 2007 Location: Estonia, Tallinn	people should go to the tunnel exit marker first, then turn to the side path, iv seen some do it, much better to have the mcp dropped after the tunnel not before, about 30sec to waste for just a few secs. __________________

08-20-2007, 09:39 PM	#12
Spanky First Sergeant Join Date: May 2007	I've done this dozens of times, and Strogg folks are starting to catch on, but if you can get a soldier with an RL to elliminate a possible AVT, you can cruise right in. I posted this about two weeks ago, peeps are still falling for it left and, well, left The best part is when some jackass who has maxed out his XPs starts calling me a dumbass for going off the track(you know who you are- have some fun already, the Earth is NOT really at risk!), then all of s sudden, "Spanky captures the objective". There are still GDF spawning back at the mouth of the tunnel by the time I've completed the objective. I then politely say "Well, anything else you have to say there, Fatal1ty Jr.?" Jerk last night was bitching about what a crappy team we were cause we lost the first round. Then berated me ("stupid f'n noob! Where are you going") for turning down the alley. Then his buddy chimed in that I was an idiot. Then I parked the MCP in it's rightful spot and they STFU! Guess what? We won the round. Shut it, know it alls! Ass. Mom says it's time for dinner. No one has ever said a thing back after the capture, other than "I didn't know you could do that" or "you sure schooled them!". Ha! Eat that, Strogg! Two things tho: This depends upon timing completely. Dont' stop the MCP for even a second, and don't stop your Titan in front of the MCP! It's just waiting to be junk in the way. Charge! If you do make the turn partially into the alley, and get disabled by AVT fire, it's very easy to get behind cover going down the alley once you've repaired it enough. Then a short jaunt to the objective, and you're done. __________________ "If my life were not funny, it would be true, and that would be unacceptable."

08-21-2007, 10:10 AM	#13
2phew Major Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sconnie Botland	some peeps i played with tried it only to be stopped with the med crate and an AVT(this was deliberate i think) by the wall 2 or 3 times it lost the round and peeps werent happy because DEFAULT was ignored . its a risky on really depends on time spent on previous objective.

08-21-2007, 07:46 PM	#14
space Brigadier General Join Date: May 2007	Yeah your team needs to have the turrets cleaned out at the tunnel mouth so you can go this route to avoid defence set back from the tunnel mouth by the MCP deply location. If the tunnel mouth is clean you can sneak the MCP behind the tuerrets that are set back as the AVT turrets willnot fire at you when you are behind them unless you fire at them first. __________________ Xfire SN : sp4orce \|\| Gamertag : .space. [==] "I own with the Platypus.. and Trojan"

08-27-2007, 02:19 PM	#15
Finko 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2007	That's a pretty tight spot between the garage building and the mountain. I think I know where I'll start placing some mines from now on

08-30-2007, 11:05 AM	#16
PhotonScatter 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: Aug 2007	One thing to help when taking the MCP around this way, or in general: You can strafe jump and hold fix with the pliers to 'keep up' with the MCP when it's moving at full speed. I've found that if you have 2-3 engineers doing that behind the MCP you can often get it deployed in one go.